I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
The 2016 election was won by Trump through the electoral college. Yes he lost the popular vote. However that may be fun to point out, it doesn't matter. He won that election just as legitimately as Biden won in 2020 and all the presidents in history that won the electorate college. Unless you are questioning the 2016 election result? Are you suggesting the election in 2016 was not a legitimate election? Isn't saying he didn't win through a democratic process almost the same as election denying? I'm sure that's not what you meant.
Every president selects or nominates their SCOTUS Justices. Good thing we can elect a different president to select their own through a democratic election.
I think the democrats lose allot of abortion support by not being clear as to limitations.
If the majority of Americans support abortion then this will be determined by the votes, not only at the state level but through congress, the senate and the WH. It is the democratic method. Not perfect but most certainly better than fascism.
I not only suggesting, I am stating that in my opinion, the electoral college is not a democratic institution.
From Merriam Webster: government by the people especially : rule of the majority.
I understand that the electoral college is the law. I also understand that it was a compromise to form a union between non-enslaving and enslaving states. It is obsolete and should be done away with.
A conservative SCOTUS, that does not reflect sentiment of voters does not feel democratic to me. I am not saying this fascism (which seems to be your favorite word that you insert in nearly every post) but it is autocratic, bordering on theocratic. They are no longer following stare decisicis, that is ruling based on past precedent. They appear to be making judgements based on moral grounds, rather than accepted law.
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5 hours ago, Weetywill said:
So what's your solution? End the Republican party all together? Make the US a one party state? Now that sounds fascist!
Or allow our democratic process to happen today and all the future elections? It is the responsibilities of the party's to demonstrate to the population why they should vote for them. If the population votes the one side in and the other out, that's the failure or success of the party not the voter.
The SCOTUS did what was allowed by the court. If we the people don't like it, we vote. Which will be what happens today. What if the majority of the population agree that abortion should be determined by the state and not the federal level? And the vote reflects that. Isn't that democracy? If it's fascist then there wouldn't even be an option for the states to decide.
To say that the voters have been swayed or are confused is an insult to democracy in of itself. You do not have to like the outcome of a democratic election but you must accept it. That is democracy.
Let the people vote!!
My solution is to speak frankly about the lies from right wing Republicans, hold those guilty of trying to stop the transition of power accountable and vote Democrat until Republicans clearly disavow themselves from the liars.
Yes, the parties need to convince the people that they are best... or they need to lie about election results and convince their followers that if they lose its because liberals cheated... you know like Trump and nearly 300 of his sycophant candidates. Republicans learned in Kansas exactly how popular their ideas about women's healthcare are, Trump lost the popular vote twice, back to back. Well see if they convinced enough people this time or if they will claim to be victims.
The only people who seem prone to denying election results and claiming fraud or cheating are Republicans, surely you noticed.
“The racism thing” “convoluted “.. Let’s be clear here Blacks and other minorities did not create this problem.
Do I think white people can experience racism? I think white people can feel uncomfortable.
The foundation of racism stems from a history and for some a legacy of white supremacy and superiority, and the effects of racism are deeply rooted in minds bodies and souls.
I did not say any POC created the undisclosed "problem" or anything else.
I never apply guilt, shame or any other attribute or disparage a person based on the color of their skin. Or their gender or their position in LGBTQ.
I do not agree with your second paragraph. Racism is racism regardless of skin color. If you allow prejudice against one group you invite it for another. We will not agree and you're entitled to your opinion. I will not discuss further.
My solution is to speak frankly about the lies from right wing Republicans, hold those guilty of trying to stop the transition of power accountable and vote Democrat until Republicans clearly disavow themselves from the liars.
Yes, the parties need to convince the people that they are best... or they need to lie about election results and convince their followers that if they lose its because liberals cheated... you know like Trump and nearly 300 of his sycophant candidates. Republicans learned in Kansas exactly how popular their ideas about women's healthcare are, Trump lost the popular vote twice, back to back. Well see if they convinced enough people this time or if they will claim to be victims.
The only people who seem prone to denying election results and claiming fraud or cheating are Republicans, surely you noticed.
Im happy you can freely state your opinion. There have been several democrats that have questioned elections. It seems you haven't noticed.It doesn't matter, the votes will.
Well keep on doing what you're doing if you think it helps. We will see tonight if the majority agrees with you or democrats or Republicans after the people vote in today's democratic election.
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3 hours ago, Weetywill said:
I didn't mean to infer that the topic was simple only that my explanation was. I also did not say what I felt about the over turning Roe. What I intended to communicate was that by overturning Roe, the court did not violate the law. It was permitted to do so under the constitution. So it wasn't in line with a fascist government.
I am uneasy with many things. I think that overturning Roe was a bad idea. Also, States usually align with blue or red. People in blue states sometimes want and care about different things. So it also makes some sense to allow it to be up to the states on what the voters want in there particular state. Where as this is a good thing as not everyone has the same beliefs and values, serves to somewhat give everyone a little of what they want. Of course the majority of the vote determines that.
However simply moving to a state that is more in line with your political beliefs isn't possible for everyone. Some people cannot afford to make such a move. Where this creates the problem of abortion accessibility.
I do not consider overturning Roe as taking away women's rights. I see it makes it harder for women to get abortions but doesn't remove abortion outright. It also restricts abortion to some limits. Where as I think abortion should be rare and a well thought out choice, opposed to an everyday routine procedure, making it harder isn't completely terrible. Or putting restriction isn't either. But ultimately I think Roe should have remained. I do not agree with SCOTUS overturning it.
The democratic process doesn't promise everyone will be happy but it does allow the majority to vote and decide. So if the majority votes to restrict or limit abortion access in any given state, then that is the democratic process. Same with any other issue.
Yes. I agree with gun control. The point I was making is that it could be said that the democratic party is trying to disarm the population and that's fascist becausevthats what historical facism has done. This is in reference to the claim that if Republicans win, they will overturn our democracy and make the US a fascist country. Similarity with fascism can be found in any political party. If you spin it right. Just like almost everyone has a symptom of a mental illness but that does not diagnosis them with one. I was trying to point out the absurdity.
I think that social media is the main reason the division has escalated. It's caused a frenzy where even our main news outlets will omitt or over report certain things, especially near elections. Or false tags placed on individuals for whome they support. Ex: You voted Republican" That makes you a fascist and you want to overturn our democracy." Or, " you voted democrat? That means you want to allow people to kill their babies up until birth and you want to take away our guns...." instead of discussing the policies and reasons for voting the way you did. The voters attack the voters instead of the policies they don't agree with. Mostly because of what they see and hear on social media and the inability of the media to report the facts without the ideology or bias.
Over turning Roe allows state level authoritarians, religious zealots and archaic laws to interfere in women's healthcare decisions. How isn't that clear?
Fascism cannot be found in any or every political movement. That's not factually correct. I'm not interested in spin, are you? That's the kind of gobbley goop rationalization that confuses people.
I've tried discussing gun control and abortion with conservatives. It's difficult to have rational discussions when both sides are not equally committed to accepting the facts, data, or evidence. Like the right wing rhetoric about elective abortion up to delivery that has so many conservatives up in arms about this fake liberal agenda. In these threads right wing beliefs about late term abortion cannot accept or assimilate the data and facts which demonstrate that the procedures they hold up as inhumane are exceedingly rare and tragic cases that involve high stakes decisions... often of life and death for the mother as well as the fetus. One cannot have a reasonable discussion with people who will not be reasonable.
Yeah social media is a problem. Especially because conservatives are being targeted with propaganda by our enemies who want to destabilize our democracy and right wing cable and radio personalities are not shy about joining in on that style of communication. We have legislators like Ron Johnson sharing Russian propaganda in hearings or in public remarks. We have Russian spies infiltrating the NRA to gain access to Republican politicians. We have foreign operatives as part of republican presidential campaigns.
We need to be able to deal with bias in our lives. Facts are facts. Bias is a problem when it causes a person to abandon facts or evidence or reality. Can an individual's bias in favor of certain ideology cause the individual to ignore dangerous corruption or evidence of nefarious intent on the part of others promoting that ideology? If you've read much history you know the answer to that question is a resounding YES. Can people be convinced to support things which in reality are not in their best interests? Again, yes. That's where persiste spin and lies comes in...propaganda works.
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3 hours ago, Weetywill said:
I did not say your remarks specifically were divisive diarrhea. I do not make personal attacks. My apologies if I made it sound that way.
As I said, just like mental illness, just because you can point out a few symptoms, doesn't diagnose the person. Same idea with the fascist similarities.
The racism thing is very convoluted.I guess we could start by asking if you think that white people can experience racism? If you believe it has to do with power or something, I am not interested in discussing that with you. All people should be treated equally and judged by their character, not their skin color. Ever. Final argument.
MSMBC has long segments making generalized comments disparaging an entire group of people by the color of their skin. That's racist. On The View, the host likened white women to cockroaches. That's racist. Democrats have nothing to say. Even Republicans don't.
Do you really think if Republicans win, any election that they will turn the US government into a fascist state complete with Nazi ideology?
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a scare tactic to sway voters. Just saying, in my opinion.
So you ask me what I believe about racism just before you tell me what you won't discuss relative to racism. In response I'll ask you. When were white people not making the laws or decisions in this country, when were they enslaved or lynched or generally denied participation in our democracy through voting?
White people in the USA may occasionally experience prejudice. That's uncomfortable. There is no institutional or structural racism present in the USA that disadvantages white people.
Oh... about that "each president chooses" justices for the Supreme Court. Republicans denied the 44th president a SCOTUS nomination because it was an election year and then gifted a SCOTUS nomination to the twice impeached 45th president after voting had already begun in an election to replace that fellow.
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54 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
Im happy you can freely state your opinion. There have been several democrats that have questioned elections. It seems you haven't noticed.It doesn't matter, the votes will.
Well keep on doing what you're doing if you think it helps. We will see tonight if the majority agrees with you or democrats or Republicans after the people vote in today's democratic election.
Are you going to mention Stacy Abrams? You think that her questioning the activities of her gubernatorial opponent taken while he was secretary of state that purged roughly hundreds of thousands of voters from the Georgia voter rolls was inappropriate? Why? Aren't we supposed to question things like that?
In reality, what Democrat has denied an election with bold faced lies and refusal to concede that comes anywhere close to Trump's unacceptable and corrupt refusal to accept defeat? It's hard to imagine any other refusal to accept loss that comes close. Help me out.
Over turning Roe allows state level authoritarians, religious zealots and archaic laws to interfere in women's healthcare decisions. How isn't that clear?
Fascism cannot be found in any or every political movement. That's not factually correct. I'm not interested in spin, are you? That's the kind of gobbley goop rationalization that confuses people.
I've tried discussing gun control and abortion with conservatives. It's difficult to have rational discussions when both sides are not equally committed to accepting the facts, data, or evidence. Like the right wing rhetoric about elective abortion up to delivery that has so many conservatives up in arms about this fake liberal agenda. In these threads right wing beliefs about late term abortion cannot accept or assimilate the data and facts which demonstrate that the procedures they hold up as inhumane are exceedingly rare and tragic cases that involve high stakes decisions... often of life and death for the mother as well as the fetus. One cannot have a reasonable discussion with people who will not be reasonable.
Yeah social media is a problem. Especially because conservatives are being targeted with propaganda by our enemies who want to destabilize our democracy and right wing cable and radio personalities are not shy about joining in on that style of communication. We have legislators like Ron Johnson sharing Russian propaganda in hearings or in public remarks. We have Russian spies infiltrating the NRA to gain access to Republican politicians. We have foreign operatives as part of republican presidential campaigns.
We need to be able to deal with bias in our lives. Facts are facts. Bias is a problem when it causes a person to abandon facts or evidence or reality. Can an individual's bias in favor of certain ideology cause the individual to ignore dangerous corruption or evidence of nefarious intent on the part of others promoting that ideology? If you've read much history you know the answer to that question is a resounding YES. Can people be convinced to support things which in reality are not in their best interests? Again, yes. That's where persiste spin and lies comes in...propaganda works.
Okay. It is obvious we will not fully agree on much I find it hard to discuss when it seems, I could be wrong, that you have a major detest for Republican in general. Very few post are without derogatory inflammatory terms and descriptions about Republicans.
I guess we will see what the voters want tonight. Either way, I will accept the results without question regardless if I voted for the winner or not. I feel most Americans can make up their own minds regardless of propaganda. And if Republicans win they most certainly will not create a F government.
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3 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
Okay. It is obvious we will not fully agree on much I find it hard to discuss when it seems, I could be wrong, that you have a major detest for Republican in general. Very few post are without derogatory inflammatory terms and descriptions about Republicans.
I guess we will see what the voters want tonight. Either way, I will accept the results without question regardless if I voted for the winner or not. I feel most Americans can make up their own minds regardless of propaganda. And if Republicans win they most certainly will not create a F government.
(I apparently use words too much).
I was raised in a republican household. I voted republican in most of my early life. Nearly 300 of the current republican candidates are spreading lies and general suspicion about the integrity of our elections... they will not commit to concede should they lose. Is there a flattering way to describe that sort of dangerous anti-american behavior in political candidates?
You feel like Americans can make up their own minds about propaganda and yet tens of millions of Americans believe that there were irregularities in the 2020 election that gave rise to Trump's claims of fraud, when in reality the claims of fraud and irregularities are nothing more than lies and right wing propaganda. So what is that feeling based upon?
So you ask me what I believe about racism just before you tell me what you won't discuss relative to racism. In response I'll ask you. When were white people not making the laws or decisions in this country, when were they enslaved or lynched or generally denied participation in our democracy through voting?
White people in the USA may occasionally experience prejudice. That's uncomfortable. There is no institutional or structural racism present in the USA that disadvantages white people.
Oh... about that "each president chooses" justices for the Supreme Court. Republicans denied the 44th president a SCOTUS nomination because it was an election year and then gifted a SCOTUS nomination to the twice impeached 45th president after voting had already begun in an election to replace that fellow.
I said if you attribute racism according to the color of a individuals skin, then I was not interested in discussing with you.if you subscribe to a particular belief.my prediction was correct. Racism is racism no one is excluded. It's really my only argument. Some discussions cannot be had.
I did not mention anything about laws or historical social structures so I'm not sure why you included that. Mostly everyone knows the history of slavery so yes to your first paragraph.
I was raised in a republican household. I voted republican in most of my early life. Nearly 300 of the current republican candidates are spreading lies and general suspicion about the integrity of our elections... they will not commit to concede should they lose. Is there a flattering way to describe that sort of dangerous anti-american behavior in political candidates?
You feel like Americans can make up their own minds about propaganda and yet tens of millions of Americans believe that there were irregularities in the 2020 election that gave rise to Trump's claims of fraud, when in reality the claims of fraud and irregularities are nothing more than lies and right wing propaganda. So what is that feeling based upon?
Okay. You have repeted what you think several times and I have replied with what I think several times. I've been called out for repetition so I guess I'm calling you out for it now.
In respect for the other members who pointed it out to me, I will not repeate what I already said. You have communicated what you think very effectively. I get it. You have good points but I mostly do not agree.
Hey did you know there's an election tonight? Perhaps we should focus on that?
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5 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
I said if you attribute racism according to the color of a individuals skin, then I was not interested in discussing with you.if you subscribe to a particular belief.my prediction was correct. Racism is racism no one is excluded. It's really my only argument. Some discussions cannot be had.
I did not mention anything about laws or historical social structures so I'm not sure why you included that. Mostly everyone knows the history of slavery so yes to your first paragraph.
I included the bit about laws and structural systems of oppression because that's a feature of racism in this country. No, apparently millions of Americans are confused about the history of slavery in this country and are upset when the details and specifics are taught in schools. You've heard of the conservative confusion and animus about made up stories of CRT curriculums in elementary schools, right? What's that all about?
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I not only suggesting, I am stating that in my opinion, the electoral college is not a democratic institution.
From Merriam Webster: government by the people especially : rule of the majority.
I understand that the electoral college is the law. I also understand that it was a compromise to form a union between non-enslaving and enslaving states. It is obsolete and should be done away with.
A conservative SCOTUS, that does not reflect sentiment of voters does not feel democratic to me. I am not saying this fascism (which seems to be your favorite word that you insert in nearly every post) but it is autocratic, bordering on theocratic. They are no longer following stare decisicis, that is ruling based on past precedent. They appear to be making judgements based on moral grounds, rather than accepted law.