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I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news.  I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.

https://apnews.com/article/new-jersey-newark-bomb-threats-d0a59b80d460f9354f6bfe86f65475c6

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According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.

Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.

The arrested the guy the next day. 

What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there. 

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EV's should not be mandated simply because they aren't affordable.   40K to 60K is too much for a car.  I hope to get an EV one day but it won't be new.

I'm leaning toward letting the market decide and the big problem with that is Americans aren't forward thinking which is why pollution and climate change is causing some real time issues.

I'm also all for making the country energy dependent, and like I've said before that has to include fossil fuels for the short term, but a long term plan needs to get rid of them.

Making gas prices higher also is a terrible idea, except it does fuel interest in electric vehicles.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/05/business/ev-hybrid-shopping-gas-prices/index.html

Sadly America's wealth is so tied up in fossil fuels we'll destroy the world before we're wrestled free from it.

But we are pretty energy independent and I have a love hate relationship with it..  It's our future, our strength and our wealth.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/03/08/surprise-the-us-is-still-energy-independent/?sh=5d6f6e9c30b6

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

 

I would also make it a priority that the US become energy dependent.  To include fossil fuels, wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear.

It's not complicated.

Don't you mean the US should become energy independent? We are already dependent on the Middle East for oil. I should think you would want to decrease that, but whatever. 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

What would I do?  Thats easy...not mandate EV's. 

Let the market decide the future of EV's.  

I would also make it a priority that the US become energy dependent.  To include fossil fuels, wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear.

It's not complicated.

The market? There hasn’t been a free automotive or energy market since the first taxpayer subsidies for oil companies in the early 1900s. Prices for fossil fuels are artificially low - and that’s not factoring in the costs of cleaning up after them.

But … whatever lets you sleep at night. We’re decades past the point when we could afford cheap and relatively painless incremental steps to address the problems. Denial just accelerates the mass extinction already underway. 

It’s gonna be a hard Winter.

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12 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Don't you mean the US should become energy independent? We are already dependent on the Middle East for oil. I should think you would want to decrease that, but whatever. 

I would take it to mean energy independent.  I actually slipped on my post above but had time to correct it.

   Despite rhetoric from the right, the US is now the largest producer or oil in the world..  

We are more dependent on the prices of the world market than anything and the Middle East, lead by Saudi Arabia sets the tone much of the time.  Especially with post-covid demand and demand for oil from anywhere but Russia.

Like I said, I have a love hate relationship.  American oil produces jobs, wealth, and higher levels of prosperity.  As bad as it got here this Summer we faired better than many other countries when it came to gas prices.   

Climate change aside that is.

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9 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Don't you mean the US should become energy independent? We are already dependent on the Middle East for oil. I should think you would want to decrease that, but whatever. 

Yes, that's obviously what I meant.  Thank you so much for taking the time, and adding your snark,  but nothing else, to the discussion.

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1 minute ago, Beerman said:

Yes, that's obviously what I meant.  Thank you so much for taking the time, and adding your snark,  but nothing else, to the discussion.

You are most welcome!

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3 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, that's obviously what I meant.  Thank you so much for taking the time, and adding your snark,  but nothing else, to the discussion.

...and you dished the snark right back.  You're actually pretty good that.  Pass the salt for my popcorn.  LOL

 

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1 minute ago, Tweety said:

...and you dished the snark right back.  You're actually pretty good that.  Pass the salt for my popcorn.  LOL

 

LOL

And, it was an appropriate response.

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2 minutes ago, Beerman said:

LOL

And, it was an appropriate response.

touche

But I think most of here can take what we dish out.  

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19 minutes ago, heron said:

The market? There hasn’t been a free automotive or energy market since the first taxpayer subsidies for oil companies in the early 1900s. Prices for fossil fuels are artificially low - and that’s not factoring in the costs of cleaning up after them.

But … whatever lets you sleep at night. We’re decades past the point when we could afford cheap and relatively painless incremental steps to address the problems. Denial just accelerates the mass extinction already underway. 

It’s gonna be a hard Winter.

Subsidies for oil is a different, but worthwhile, topic.

For the price and performance of an auto, EV's don't compare right now.

Mass extinction.  Nope, not buying it.  I can think of a few other ways we human are going to cause our own demise before greenhouse gasses do.  And, even if there are not, I've not seen evidence that EV's are going to save us.

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

EV's should not be mandated simply because they aren't affordable.   40K to 60K is too much for a car.  I hope to get an EV one day but it won't be new.

I'm leaning toward letting the market decide and the big problem with that is Americans aren't forward thinking which is why pollution and climate change is causing some real time issues.

I'm also all for making the country energy dependent, and like I've said before that has to include fossil fuels for the short term, but a long term plan needs to get rid of them.

Making gas prices higher also is a terrible idea, except it does fuel interest in electric vehicles.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/05/business/ev-hybrid-shopping-gas-prices/index.html

Sadly America's wealth is so tied up in fossil fuels we'll destroy the world before we're wrestled free from it.

But we are pretty energy independent and I have a love hate relationship with it..  It's our future, our strength and our wealth.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/03/08/surprise-the-us-is-still-energy-independent/?sh=5d6f6e9c30b6

You can get a new EV for less than 30k.  

I find that you, and others  often contradict yourselves. 

It's a matter of saving us from "mass extinction" as another poster put it.  But, most don'tthink it's a priority to have EV's, solar panels, wind turbine, etc.

And, of course we know about politicians and celebrities who cry about global warning, often from the comfort of their extra beach home, private plane, or cadillac suv.

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Maybe California should figure out how to supply electricity to it's current infrastructure before they have to take on charging millions of cars.

Some of you may not be aware that these blackouts are not uncommon.

https://www.newsweek.com/californians-told-not-charge-electric-cars-gas-car-sales-ban-1738398

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