We Must Demolish NP Diploma Mills

[cprimavera]

What is AANP doing with those programs??? I think we should unite to take an action on such diploma mills.

[djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP]

1 minute ago, PsychNurse24 said:

Still waiting to hear how you know that there are ill prepared NPs out there making mistakes. You just make this stuff up!  

Still waiting on those board pass rates and intake to graduation rates....

[paramedic-RN]

3 minutes ago, PsychNurse24 said:

Still waiting to hear how you know that there are ill prepared NPs out there making mistakes. You just make this stuff up!  

How do I know? Because I've personally witnessed it along with everyone else on here who's saying the same thing, we've all witnessed this unfortunately.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

On 2/13/2021 at 12:58 PM, juan de la cruz said:

I totally agree. I precept ACNP students. Even in reputable institutions that arrange preceptors, I find it inadequate when students in Acute Care programs are only showing up to clinicals 12-hr shifts here and there. I know it can be a big sacrifice working as a nurse with a full time job to make time for clinicals but for the experience to be beneficial, the student must be there everyday 3 days in a row if it's 12-hr shifts or 4 days in a row if 10-hr shifts.

That's where they will experience admitting their own patients, collaborating with the NP preceptor to manage the patients' day to day issues, and hopefully getting them tee'd up for discharge and learning that process as well. To me, it's just not the question of the 500 hours of clinicals is too short, sure you can increase that to 1000 but the structure of how clinicals are done must also be looked into. Quantity and quality go together.

I know it sounds like I'm going for a total overhaul of how NP programs are done here but I'm shooting for ideal. I've seen new NP's show up not knowing what elements are needed in an admission order, takes hours to write that admission H&P, and have no time left to even put things together on how to manage that patient.

There is also nothing wrong with postponing kids and a mortgage until your educational goals have been met.  I was desperately poor in CRNA school (it was many years after graduation that I would ever touch peanut butter again, paid rent to have the livingroom sofa, etc) but it certainly made the rest of my life much easier to have that behind me.

[arami047x]

I followed this entire thread.

Is there a petition that can be signed or a letter than can be written up to describe the sub par education we are receiving.

As a MSN student who is about to graduate, and surrounded by many students who have no interest in pursuing bedside or community health nursing- being able to easily get into an NP online program is truly disturbing! 

I would be more than happy to start one if needed!

[PsychNurse24, BSN, RN]

1 minute ago, arami047x said:

I followed this entire thread.

Is there a petition that can be signed or a letter than can be written up to describe the sub par education we are receiving.

As a MSN student who is about to graduate, and surrounded by many students who have no interest in pursuing bedside or community health nursing- being able to easily get into an NP online program is truly disturbing! 

I would be more than happy to start one if needed!

Why is it disturbing if it is easy to get into NP school?  We are already Nurses and once we graduate we have to pass the NP boards.  All these universities are accredited.  You are disturbed by information with no data to support it.  

[MentalKlarity, BSN, NP]

5 minutes ago, arami047x said:

I followed this entire thread.

Is there a petition that can be signed or a letter than can be written up to describe the sub par education we are receiving.

As a MSN student who is about to graduate, and surrounded by many students who have no interest in pursuing bedside or community health nursing- being able to easily get into an NP online program is truly disturbing! 

I would be more than happy to start one if needed!

Writing letters to ANCC and AANP is a start. And yes a petition could help too.

1 minute ago, PsychNurse24 said:

Why is it disturbing if it is easy to get into NP school?  We are already Nurses and once we graduate we have to pass the NP boards.  All these universities are accredited.  You are disturbed by information with no data to support it.  

Not everyone is intelligent enough to be a medical provider. We need multiple entry hurdles to allow on the brightest to become providers. PAs and MDs have it, NPs don't.

[PsychNurse24, BSN, RN]

Just now, MentalKlarity said:

Writing letters to ANCC and AANP is a start. And yes a petition could help too.

Oh sure, writing letters and signing a petition are going to stop universities who are accredited, to stop their programs that produce graduates who pass board certifications.  You all have too much time on your hands. So much energy wasted on something that has not even been proven.  As you all admit, there is just anecdotal evidence , not EVIDENCE at all!  No proof, no data!  Very proud of two people I know who recently graduated and have jobs as PMHNPs. 

[MentalKlarity, BSN, NP]

5 minutes ago, PsychNurse24 said:

Oh sure, writing letters and signing a petition are going to stop universities who are accredited, to stop their programs that produce graduates who pass board certifications.  You all have too much time on your hands. So much energy wasted on something that has not even been proven.  As you all admit, there is just anecdotal evidence , not EVIDENCE at all!  No proof, no data!  Very proud of two people I know who recently graduated and have jobs as PMHNPs. 

There's nothing wrong with advocating to increase standards in your own profession.

[PsychNurse24, BSN, RN]

8 minutes ago, MentalKlarity said:

Writing letters to ANCC and AANP is a start. And yes a petition could help too.

Not everyone is intelligent enough to be a medical provider. We need multiple entry hurdles to allow on the brightest to become providers. PAs and MDs have it, NPs don't.

People who are not intelligent, as you say, will not graduate from school nor will they pass the NP boards.  And don’t tell me that the diploma mill schools don’t have comparable classes to brick and mortar schools. They do!  And don’t tell me that people who graduate and pass boards are still not intelligent enough to practice.  They are!
 

The process is to go to an accredited college, graduate, pass the board certifications, and practice.  

I’ve written this before and I’ll write it again. My friend from childhood is a doctor. She has been practicing over 32 years. She went to a highly ranked medical school. She said medical school is pass fail and there are quite a few doctors out there that probably shouldn’t be practicing.  So even those Universities with stringent application and approval processes produce some clunkers.  
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These threads bother me because you’re going after all Nurses who are attending university such as Walden, Chamberlin, Kaplan, etc.   Nurses attending those colleges are not dimwits!  Believe me, there are plenty of very bright, intelligent people attending your so-called diploma mill universities.

[PsychNurse24, BSN, RN]

20 minutes ago, MentalKlarity said:

There's nothing wrong with advocating to increase standards in your own profession.

There is when you insult all the Nurses who are attending your so-called diploma mills. This site is to help and support fellow nurses. 

[arami047x]

15 hours ago, PsychNurse24 said:

There is when you insult all the Nurses who are attending your so-called diploma mills. This site is to help and support fellow nurses. 

See Provision 9 of the ANA code of ethics:

Provision 9

"The profession of nursing, collectively through its professional organizations, must articulate nursing values, maintain the integrity of the profession, and integrate principles of social justice into nursing and health policy."

So as stated above, I can definitely advocate to increase standards in my own profession. 

[RN/WI, ADN, BSN, MSN, RN, APRN]

I literally read this post and can not believe the immaturity here. Are the persons who are trying to debate what the name of the school one went to hearing themselves? 

As a NP, I believe that that we should stick together as a profession, (profession, meaning lets grow up and act as professionals). Who cares where someone went to school? This type of debate makes the profession appear stupid. 
MDs don’ t stoop to this level I public, for Pete sake, grow up and move on!

It is the integrity of the provider that matters, not where one attended school.