July 31 2017, guy fleeing police crosses median and slams into truck and dies. The truck catches fire severely burning the innocent driver, Mr. Gray, who was taken to SLC University. Police later showed up demanding to the UNCONSCIOUS innocent patient's blood. RN Alex shows them the policy requiring consent, arrest, or a warrant. Hospital administration back up RN Alex.
Police aggressively arrest RN Alex and removes her from the hospital. Officer body cam insanity released today:
In this video, the aggressive officer can be heard saying that he will ensure all the "transients" are brought to this hospitals ED since they won't cooperate after being told the administrators and privacy officer are on their way.
Original Crash (graphic):
Interesting note about Alex, she was a 2x Olympian, US Ski Team member, and national champion is Slalom and GS.
This is what we get for allowing our police forces across the country to function as militarized units. This is a direct result of police forces pushing back against demands for reform. They now feel they can act with impunity because it has been proven so often that they can. When are people going to have enough?
I agree with that. And it seems like good people aren't wanting to work as cops as much as they use to because of it. In St Louis area they are desperate for hiring and have no retention so they have been psych screening new recruit very "loosely" if at all, because no one wants to work there (so I've heard from other police).
I agree with that. And it seems like good people aren't wanting to work as cops as much as they use to because of it. In St Louis area they are desperate for hiring and have no retention so they have been psych screening new recruit very "loosely" if at all, because no one wants to work there (so I've heard from other police).
When I was a kid it was super hard to get onto he "force", you really not only had to exceed at the academy, but usually know someone. I was taught to look to the police for help, and for the most part I still do, I have this luxury because I'm white. I don't say this is correct, just recognizing white privilege exists.
It is a sad thing, but maybe some good can come from this. Meaning how many turn a blind eye when a police officer uses excessive force to a person of a minority race or religion?
Maybe this video, on a white, female nurse, will highlight the problems that are wrong. Maybe more people will get involved in police brutality situations and speak up against the militarization of civil police forces. Maybe seeing that this event "should never have happened" will allow others to look at other situations and realize they should not have happened either.....
It's definitely a problem with an accumulation of people with very specific and toxic personality traits taking over police departments of different communities. It's not about isolated incidences or "community racial tensions" or burnout anymore as many often try to downplay (though these type of people will use any excuse to act out in the way that they want). This guy would have attacked anyone that got in his way. He was in no way "incited" or "provoked". The fact is this guy is a rabid dog without a leash, he would do this to anyone for any reason and his police cohort would look the other way, or even encourage it. Police have to lose some of their collectivity in that regard and be able to criticize and punish all corruption when they see it. That's the problem with hiring friends and family which is a huge practice like you said. They get this pack mentality and begin to emulate each other. And if they don't exactly emulate the others, they still do not want to be the snitch or betray someone they care about, so no one is ever called out. But it's not gonna change because no one's gonna hire someone who is threat, as someone who's willing to question others is also a liability to you.
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He does need to be fired. Sure bet he knew change in 'implied consent', this was his area of expertise! That point is moot as ignorance of the law is not a valid defense. He was just angry and getting angrier at not getting HIS way and it shows. He was far from professional throughout this and I would bet he's had a lot of practice at being a bully. We are all reminded of zero tolerance for violence in the workplace and he should not get a pass, I suspect he is among the LEOs who 'long' for the good-old days when they could assault people freely...he should be fired, forfeit his pension and be charged with assault/abuse under the color of authority.
1. Payne is also a Paramedic and was placed on leave by his EMS employer (as well as PD).
2. Lt Douchbag (watch commander who told Payne to arrest then showed up at the hospital to berate a handcuffed Nurse Alex) is also on paid administrative leave.
Actually if one refuses a breathalyzer a blood test can be compelled if one is arrested on suspected DUI; THAT is implied consent one gives for driving. Not the same as the truck driver did not cause the accident nor was he suspected of a DUI.
I agree with that. And it seems like good people aren't wanting to work as cops as much as they use to because of it. In St Louis area they are desperate for hiring and have no retention so they have been psych screening new recruit very "loosely" if at all, because no one wants to work there (so I've heard from other police).
The bit about the loosening standards for psych screens is scary. Out of curiosity, who normally does these psych screenings? Someone with the police force? Or do they contract these screenings out to a mental health provider in the area? How are they "loosened"? Because someone else (cheaper) is doing them or because the process isn't as rigorous and they are skipping steps? Or are they just rubber stamping the applicant's paperwork? This has potential for worsening the reputation of policemen and women, putting the community in danger, and does a great disservice to an applicant who passes the psych screening who probably shouldn't (by exposing them to stressors they can't handle and, in some cases, would not have enough awareness about their own mental health to know how these stressors affect them).
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Actually if one refuses a breathalyzer a blood test can be compelled if one is arrested on suspected DUI; THAT is implied consent one gives for driving. Not the same as the truck driver did not cause the accident nor was he suspected of a DUI.
But one is then arrested, which would fall under the policy of consented, warrant, or under arrest. Huge difference.
The patient here was not under arrest, the police did not have a warrant, and the patient was unable to consent. Oh for three there.
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Blood draws and imaging are required to diagnose the reason for the mental status change. Unconscious patients cannot give consent. Any results of the ER work up would be easily available to law enforcement.
Both the cop and the nurse were drama queens.
I think the nurses response to being arrested was quite understandable.
If I had a cop trying to arrest me for not handing over something for which they had no legal right to eg no warrant, no consent of the patient, I would have screamed the house down
Not to mention the fact that he seems to be painfully twisting her arm and slamming her against a wall. Who could suppress a scream in such a situation?
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I agree with that. And it seems like good people aren't wanting to work as cops as much as they use to because of it. In St Louis area they are desperate for hiring and have no retention so they have been psych screening new recruit very "loosely" if at all, because no one wants to work there (so I've heard from other police).