Video RN screaming, dragged into police car d/t refused blood draw on unconscious patient!

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by SummitRN SummitRN, BSN, RN Member Nurse

Specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention. Has 10 years experience.

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HeySis, BSN, RN

Specializes in PACU. Has 25 years experience. 435 Posts

I am horrified for Alex, watching the sudden and explosive aggression as the office lunged at her. I too would have backed up quickly, just a knee jerk reaction the body has to avoid being hit.

I see the SLC Mayor only saw the video for the first time a couple of days ago (8/31) and has publicly apologized for this incident, Statements from Mayor Jackie Biskupski and Salt Lake City Police Department Chief Mike Brown on incident at University of Utah Medical Center — Salt Lake City Mayor's Office and it is only by his order that an internal investigation is being done. If not for that this officer would not have been placed on administrative leave... at least he was not, until the mayor got involved.

So far Alex has said she's focused on education of the police department on handling things in a more appropriate (and legal) manner. I agree that she should sue... I think most administrators do a better job at educating their departments when there has been repercussions.

Let's also contemplate the patients that were placed in jeopardy as a result of this altercation, how many lights when unanswered, how many rounds were interrupted and what the staffing was like when a police officer interrupted a nurses shift and took her away from her critically ill patients. Do we need to have laws placed that if a nurse is competent and not harming patients that arrest need to happen at end of shift (a bit of tongue in check, but also some legit concern). That officer endangered more than one person with his illegal arrest, and that should be taken into consideration when deciding his (and his supervisors) responsibility.

SopranoKris, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in Hospitalist Medicine. Has 7 years experience. 3,152 Posts

Keep in mind, the Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that police may obtain breathalyzer results as part of an active investigation with no warrant necessary. However, they ruled that blood draws were invasive medical procedures and require a warrant or the person's consent. This patient was unable to provide consent, since he was sedated/intubated, he was an innocent victim, not a suspect, nor did this police office have a warrant. In the long version of the video, he can be heard saying "I can go get a warrant later". It doesn't work that way. He feels he is above the law. He knows he has no grounds to obtain that sample. Also in the long version of the video, the nurse even tries to reason with the officer that getting a blood sample would be futile because the patient is on medication to keep him sedated and control his pain. It would falsely appear as if he had opiates in his system.

In my opinion, these cops were trying to cover their butts because their high speed chase ended in their suspect harming an innocent victim. They're more worried about trying to cast a shadow of a doubt on the victim by being able to say he had drugs/alcohol in his system (who knows if they would have tampered with the sample, with the way this hot-head was acting?) Again, just my speculation and opinion. It just doesn't make any sense why this cop would go to such lengths in this situation. And his supervisor continues to bully the nurse as she's sitting in the police car, which they strapped her in with the seat belt (false imprisonment).

nmnnurse

nmnnurse

14 Posts

"Blood draws and imaging are required to diagnose the reason for the mental status change. Unconscious patients cannot give consent. Any results of the ER work up would be easily available to law enforcement.

Both the cop and the nurse were drama queens."

I am pretty sure they did a medical drug screen. That does not give police a right to the results unless they have a warrant (which they did not). Also, there is a separate procedure for doing legal blood alcohol and drug screens.

Edited by nmnnurse
didn't make sense without the post I replied to.

NunNurseCat

64 Posts

Another irony: Take this Detective's behavior, bring it back to colonial America, and what do you get? One of the main reasons people got fed up and declared independence from Great Britain. Seems like we are into yet another period in American history where the population are so fed up we are coming upon a real tipping point; This case is yet another grain of sand onto that balance scale.

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morte

morte, LPN, LVN

7,015 Posts

That someone was me. I can't chose a different career. I have been doing this for 35 years. The nurse in the video made an error in judgment, she is also a big wimp. There is no place for wimps or errors in judgment for nurses.

you are wrong on both allegations.

morte

morte, LPN, LVN

7,015 Posts

I wonder if this is why his peers stood by and let him drive to crazy town..maybe they were like "let this play out (making sure the victim did not get roughed up too much)" and we can be rid of this liability. I've baited a few traps in my day...or as an old boss/friend once suggested, I'll give em' enough rope and they'll hang themselves...he was right that's just what they did.

LOL, thought of that too. I also thought that in the Tamir Rice case, that the driver of the cruiser was trying to get rid of his trainee...

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BrnEyedGirl, BSN, MSN, RN, APRN

Specializes in Cardiac, ER. Has 18 years experience. 1,236 Posts

It's going to be hard to say she was "only detained " when the officer clearly stated multiple times to multiple people that she was being arrested. It's also going to be hard to claim ignorance of the law in the supervisors case, because when he was talking to her afterwards he stated he knew the law, had been a cop for 22 years, etc. he also clearly explains that he knows what a warrant is and how to get one. An unconscious patient isn't going anywhere.. get your warrant & get your blood.. unless you can't get a warrant..

Both of these officers knowingly stepped over the line. I think a kidnapping charge is quite appropriate.

In the long video, one of the officers asks why they don't just get a warrant. The other officer states there is no PC for one (probable cause). They knew they couldn't get a warrant. This cop lost his cool and was angry because he didn't get his way! The scary thing is that he did this in front of many witnesses and while knowingly being recorded! I can only imagine how he behaves in private!

Ado Annie, ASN, RN

Specializes in Med/Surg. Has 11 years experience. 530 Posts

RE: Complaint to SLCPD

Done. I hope I haven't opened myself up to retaliation.

Serhilda, ADN, RN

Specializes in Cardiac Telemetry, ICU. 290 Posts

I wish this came as a surprise but given the lack of accountability and consequences police face for abusing their power, this will continue.

JKL33

6,381 Posts

I would like to know how the hospital has been handling this. I can't imagine it taking a month for any of this to come to light if they have been following this through to the extent they should, IMO. I'm not saying the hospital would have released any information or done anything that could be even hinted at with regard to HIPAA. But seriously? How are these guys (at least a couple of them!!) still on duty (up to the end of August) if the hospital's legal team is pursuing this or even having "serious talks" about it? IANAL but it would seem reasonable that maybe they themselves have a couple of causes of action.

I obviously have no facts about this, and I hope my concerns are a non-issue.

Wuzzie

4,864 Posts

In my opinion, these cops were trying to cover their butts because their high speed chase ended in their suspect harming an innocent victim. They're more worried about trying to cast a shadow of a doubt on the victim by being able to say he had drugs/alcohol in his system (who knows if they would have tampered with the sample, with the way this hot-head was acting?) Again, just my speculation and opinion. It just doesn't make any sense why this cop would go to such lengths in this situation.

And don't forget. In the long version of the video the cop with the body cam states something to the effect of "I'm going to see if we have anything on him" gets into the detective's trunk, obtains a piece of paper with the VICTIM'S name on it and then looks him up on their data base. He then gets out of the car, goes up to Payne and under his breath mutters to him that he's got "nothing". Well of course because the victim is a COP!!!! You'd have to be pretty thick not to understand what they're trying to do and it's one of the scummiest things I have ever witnessed.