Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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10 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Anonymous opinions on digital forums or social media platforms might be interesting but they are the worst foundation for health decisions.  

In my view, you are trying to use a math equation to minimize the amount of suffering and death those numbers would represent.  

What do you think healthcare uses everyday?  Numbers are used to make healthcare decisions. If not you do not use lab values. Let me give you an example. If your Creatine was 2 x higher than the normal high value it would be increase your risk for CHF, MI, CVA. Doubling your potassium high normal level can be fatal. This is why you need numbers to go with percentages. 

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10 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You haven't presented a valid reason to not vaccinate outside of medical contraindication.  Would you like to offer one up for discussion?

I never said to get or not to get vaccinated. All I did was translate percentages into the number of people affected per 1,000 and gave some reasons why some people might not get vaccinated. 

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7 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

I never said to get or not to get vaccinated. All I did was translate percentages into the number of people affected per 1,000 and gave some reasons why some people might not get vaccinated. 

The numbers you posted are not evidence of a valid reason to not vaccinate. 

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6 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The numbers you posted are not evidence of a valid reason to not vaccinate. 

What makes you think that I am saying not to get the vaccine?  Show me which post I said for someone not to get the vaccine. 

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2 hours ago, Jeckrn1 said:

I am also one who will not tell someone to get or not get any vaccine without talking with their provider and doing research. Here are just a couple of things to think about when it comes to these vaccines. 

-The conflicting information from the CDC over the last 18 months. 

What in particular?

-Since vaccines are new are they truly safe?

Truly safe? Yes. Absolutely safe? No. 

-How many medications have been pulled off the market years later because of long term studies they were not as safe as originally believed?  Zantac is just one of the recent ones pulled.

This is a vaccination not a drug; can you list a single non-live vaccine that, in the entire history of vaccines, has been shown to have a long-term adverse effect that manifest months or years down the road?

- Do we really know the effectiveness of the vaccines when they are no considering booster shots. 
We have fantastic data on vaccine efficacy; this is the world's biggest open label real world clinical trial. What are hospitals full of right now?

-We are told percentages but not totals. The article OP stated that none vaccinated individuals who had Covid but not vaccinated have a 2.39% greater chance of getting Covid again. Do we know how many people will get Covid if they are vaccinated?  

Most recent data I have seen shows a breakthrough infection rate of less than 1%. Even more important is the reduction in moderate and severe illness. 

If that number is 1 of every 1000 then the number of people who had Covid and not vaccinated would be 2.39 for every thousand.  These would show that vaccines are effective but the risk of getting reinfected if unvaccinated is also low. 
 But if the numbers were more like 250 out of 1000 and 597 out of 1000 respectfully  then the vaccines are not effective. 
These 2 scenarios are examples of why stating percentages do not always tell the true story. 

That figure is not a percentage it is an odds ratio. 

 

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4 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

 

Did I every say these were valid reasons no, just reasons why someone might not get the vaccine answering the OP question. As far as the “odds” people will also look at that as a reason not to get the vaccine. If you look at my example when I made that post I gave 2 different valves and how that could effect someone’s thinking. The one thing that I have seen or lack off on a lot Covid post has been critical thinking and attacking anyone who offers ideas not 100% like theirs. 

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1 hour ago, Jeckrn1 said:

I didn’t either what I did was multiply 0.08 x 2.34 and comes out to 0.187% of unvaccinated people who had Covid before who get reinfected. 

Aren’t your calculations based on a previous post of yours that had “if” strewn throughout it like raisins in soda bread?

This was the part of the post “We are told percentages but not totals. The article OP stated that none vaccinated individuals who had Covid but not vaccinated have a 2.39% greater chance of getting Covid again. Do we know how many people will get Covid if they are vaccinated?  If that number is 1 of every 1000 then the number of people who had Covid and not vaccinated would be 2.39 for every thousand.  These would show that vaccines are effective but the risk of getting reinfected if unvaccinated is also low. 
 But if the numbers were more like 250 out of 1000 and 597 out of 1000 respectfully  then the vaccines are not effective. ”

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Hi,

I had COVID 19 and the antibody test results shows that I have a strong natural immunity . However, I am still obligated to take the vaccine in order to continue attending nursing school in person. 
in my opinion this is just business and not a lot about safety and people’s life. Why is the CDC even talking about achieving a high rate of herd immunity through vaccination?

 

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8 minutes ago, annaig said:

Hi,

I had COVID 19 and the antibody test results shows that I have a strong natural immunity . However, I am still obligated to take the vaccine in order to continue attending nursing school in person. 
in my opinion this is just business and not a lot about safety and people’s life. Why is the CDC even talking about achieving a high rate of herd immunity through vaccination?

 

Interesting … why would you mention vaccine as “just business “ without mentioning the millions of taxpayer dollars being shoveled to the company of a large donor to the governor of Florida via his “early treatment centers”?

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6 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Did I every say these were valid reasons no, just reasons why someone might not get the vaccine answering the OP question. As far as the “odds” people will also look at that as a reason not to get the vaccine. If you look at my example when I made that post I gave 2 different valves and how that could effect someone’s thinking. The one thing that I have seen or lack off on a lot Covid post has been critical thinking and attacking anyone who offers ideas not 100% like theirs.

 But if the numbers were more like 250 out of 1000 and 597 out of 1000 respectfully  then the vaccines are not effective.  

I get that you are just listing things that people might consider valid reasons; these are just my responses to those points, I'm not making any sort of comment on your personal beliefs. 

Can you explain why critical thinkers would look at those numbers and think vaccines were not effective? Lets use your numbers and evaluate: 

Two trains each carrying 1,000 people collide. Train A has no seatbelts and 597 of 1,000 die. Train B has seatbelts and 250 die. Are seatbelts ineffective because 250 people still died? Or did they save 347 lives? 

12 minutes ago, annaig said:

Why is the CDC even talking about achieving a high rate of herd immunity through vaccination?

 

Because achieving a high rate of herd immunity through natural infection is unthinkable.

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3 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

OK I was military 10 years. I KNEW going in I would be taking vaccines beyond what I had as a child. I accepted that. Yellow fever? Check. HEP A? check.

COVID? double check. I would take it again. Military know they have to vaccinate. Those who can't accept it may need to separate and find other employment that more aligns to their values of rugged individualism.

I wouldn't live in a foreign country without the vaccines. That's too wild and too risky. Anyway, many of my vaccines I received were for my destination. Those were given a few months before I immigrated.  I also never contracted flu and common colds. Only COVID-19 got me which was before the lockdown.

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