Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

[jive turkey]

Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

28 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Yes numbers do matter, what do you think percentages are it’s just numbers expressed if a different format. It’s not that I do not believe in percentages it’s just they do not tell the whole story. By the number you gave the unvaccinated rated is 0.1872% or 18.72 out of 1000. 
If you would have read the examples I gave you you would see why percentages do not always tell the whole story and are just a part of it. 
As far if I have gotten the vaccine or not is irrelevant for this thread and non of your business. 

 

 

I did not say .187%  as the rate for re-infections among vaccinated.  I said .08%.   Do the raw numbers say differently?

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

3 minutes ago, macawake said:

That’s a flawed analogy. Infecting another person with a virus that can harm them is direct harm. Unless the nurse in your scenario performed an act that directly caused their fellow bus passenger’s cardiac arrest, it’s not comparable. Not being able to come to someone’s rescue for something you didn’t even cause, on your time off from work, is in no way the same.
 

I don’t know about your place of work but where I work, a nurse or physician who because of illness, injury or being in such poor shape that they can’t perform the duties their job requires, will either be on sick leave if applicable, or be assigned another position and duties that they are capable of carrying out. 

You could easily stretch your analogy to the point of being completely absurd. How about a nearsighted nurse or physician who wears glasses or contact lenses at work, but takes a walk without them on a morning off.. and manages to miss noticing a person keel over and collapse on the sidewalk half a city block away? Is that in your opinion even close to being the same as making an active choice to not protect yourself with a vaccine against a highly infectious disease? 

Yes it is a stretch but I also points out choices that we make that do not protect ourselves against known issues that can harm us and others. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

27 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

What if that person on the bus drops over and codes but you are so out of shape you can not even do CPR?  These is a far fetched thing that can happen but it could harm that person by you not being able to do what you were trained for. 

What is Jewish lasers came down and blew your arms off so you couldn't do CPR?  Are you kidding me?  

[toomuchbaloney]

3 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Yes it is a stretch but I also points out choices that we make that do not protect ourselves against known issues that can harm us and others. 

You do realize that the unvaccinated spread disease and that harms other people, the community, the health system and the economy when the disease is a pandemic level event, right?

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

1 minute ago, subee said:

I did not say .187%  as the rate for re-infections among vaccinated.  I said .08%.   Do the raw numbers say differently?

I didn’t either what I did was multiply 0.08 x 2.34 and comes out to 0.187% of unvaccinated people who had Covid before who get reinfected. 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

It’s so much fun watching some people getting their panties in a wad when others have different views then their own. 

[toomuchbaloney]

3 hours ago, Jeckrn1 said:

I didn’t either what I did was multiply 0.08 x 2.34 and comes out to 0.187% of unvaccinated people who had Covid before who get reinfected. 

How many people is that?

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

18.7 out of 1000

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

It’s so much fun watching some people getting their panties in a wad when others have different views then their own. 

What's your definition of "getting their panties in a wad" ? To me that seems a somewhat hyperbolic, maybe emotional way to describe a discussion on a nursing forum where you hold a minority opinion that doesn't fit with facts, evidence or expert analysis and recommendations. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

I'm having a difficult time discerning just what your view is.  I guess your point is to come stir the pot rather than make a coherent argument.  Since you can't, you just are having fun.  Are you fully an adult?

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

No it’s just that some people think so highly of themselves that they are not open to other ideas even if they are close to their own. 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

18.7 out of 1000

Yeah...so how many people would that be, according to your calculations? Are you suggesting that is not enough people to really have concern?

2 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

No it’s just that some people think so highly of themselves that they are not open to other ideas even if they are close to their own. 

That's not a valid reason to remain unvaccinated.