Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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4 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I am not the one arguing that Trump made the vaccine. And everything I wrote was anecdotal. So I have no argument with you.

How did this get to you?  Sorry about that!

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No problem. You just had me scratching my head a minute.

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19 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

How many people do not agree with a person carrying a hand gun who states they do “just in case I needed it” are saying get the vaccine because “ just in case” you might get reinfected?

Did you seriously just quote one of toomuchbaloney’s posts where that poster clearly explained to j turkey that ”the just in case” language was something that j turkey brought to the discussion and not something TMB had used… and then direct another completely off-topic ”just in case” question at TMB? Toomuchbaloney NEVER initiated the use of that phrase. That was how j turkey expressed it! If you want to engage in another just in case discussion, perhaps turkey is the more natural fit.

How I yearn for a logical discussion.

TMB hasn’t said that people with previous infections should vaccinate ”just in case”. They ought to vaccinate because a vaccine boosts/augments the immunity they already have and because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts.

And guns really don’t have anything to do with the decision of whether to get vaccinated or not. 

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4 minutes ago, macawake said:

Did you seriously just quote one of toomuchbaloney’s posts where that poster clearly explained to j turkey that ”the just in case” language was something that j turkey brought to the discussion and not something TMB had used… and then direct another completely off-topic ”just in case” question to TMB? Toomuchbaloney NEVER initiated the use of that phrase. That was how j turkey expressed it! If you want to engage in another just in case discussion, perhaps turkey is the more natural fit.

How I yearn for a logical discussion.

TMB hasn’t said that people with previous infections should vaccinate ”just in case”. They ought to vaccinate because a vaccine boosts/augments the immunity they already have and because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts.

But we do know that natural immunity doesn't last long enough for many people.  Less than 1% sounds like a tiny number but when put in context of our huge population - that's a lotta people.

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On 8/16/2021 at 5:21 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

It isn't very nice or polite to not vaccinate, work in healthcare while not vaccinated, and make dishonest excuses for not vaccinating. 

If this is the case every healthcare worker needs to do everything to have the best health possible. Which includes never driving over the speed limit, never eating junk food, exercising 3-5 times a week, not under or over weight etc. 

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1 minute ago, Jeckrn1 said:

If this is the case every healthcare worker needs to do everything to have the best health possible. Which includes never driving over the speed limit, never eating junk food, exercising 3-5 times a week, not under or over weight etc. 

I have no argument against that. But again, being fat, having hypertension, etc, does not affect immediately the health of those of us around us. My being overweight is not going to harm or kill the person sitting next to me on public transportation.

But you are right; we need to be better examples.

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33 minutes ago, subee said:

Percentages aren't reliable for you?  I'll put this here for you to read.  The easy number they give for reinfection rate among the vaccinated is .08% (do the numbers really matter?)  But they do mention that some highly sick states have not submitted their numbers.  But, at any rate, less than 1% is a very low figure.  How low would it have to be before you got vaxxed?

Yes numbers do matter, what do you think percentages are it’s just numbers expressed if a different format. It’s not that I do not believe in percentages it’s just they do not tell the whole story. By the number you gave the unvaccinated rated is 0.1872% or 18.72 out of 1000. 
If you would have read the examples I gave you you would see why percentages do not always tell the whole story and are just a part of it. 
As far if I have gotten the vaccine or not is irrelevant for this thread and non of your business. 


 

 

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9 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I have no argument against that. But again, being fat, having hypertension, etc, does not affect immediately the health of those of us around us. My being overweight is not going to harm or kill the person sitting next to me on public transportation.

But you are right; we need to be better examples.

What if that person on the bus drops over and codes but you are so out of shape you can not even do CPR?  These is a far fetched thing that can happen but it could harm that person by you not being able to do what you were trained for. 

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16 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

What if that person on the bus drops over and codes but you are so out of shape you can not even do CPR?  These is a far fetched thing that can happen but it could harm that person by you not being able to do what you were trained for. 

Is my being overweight communicable?

There I put it another way.

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23 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

What if that person on the bus drops over and codes but you are so out of shape you can not even do CPR?  These is a far fetched thing that can happen but it could harm that person by you not being able to do what you were trained for. 

That’s a flawed analogy. Infecting another person with a virus that can harm them is direct harm. Unless the nurse in your scenario performed an act that directly caused their fellow bus passenger’s cardiac arrest, it’s not comparable. Not being able to come to someone’s rescue for something you didn’t even cause, on your time off from work, is in no way the same.
 

I don’t know about your place of work but where I work, a nurse or physician who because of illness, injury or being in such poor shape that they can’t perform the duties their job requires, will either be on sick leave if applicable, or be assigned another position and duties that they are capable of carrying out. 

You could easily stretch your analogy to the point of being completely absurd. How about a nearsighted nurse or physician who wears glasses or contact lenses at work, but takes a walk without them on a morning off.. and fails to notice a person keeling over and collapsing on the sidewalk half a city block away? Is that in your opinion even close to being the same as making an active choice to not protect yourself with a vaccine against a highly infectious disease? 

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55 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

How many people do not agree with a person carrying a hand gun who states they do “just in case I needed it” are saying get the vaccine because “ just in case” you might get reinfected?

Or worse then come back as Sleepy Joe. 

I carry a hand gun when I travel into the remote areas of Alaska. Not "just in case" but because I prefer it to bear spray for my protection. It's prudent planning to protect yourself from known dangers and threats...like vaccinating against a deadly virus. 

Your last sentence leaves the impression that your health choices are negatively influenced by your politics. That seems silly. 

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40 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

If this is the case every healthcare worker needs to do everything to have the best health possible. Which includes never driving over the speed limit, never eating junk food, exercising 3-5 times a week, not under or over weight etc. 

That's ridiculous.  

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