Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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10 hours ago, jive turkey said:

Boston don't take this personal.  I don't believe you specifically are the bad guy.  Much of what you said in that reply is fair and understandable.

 I highlighted the word "decisions" in bold because my question was specifically geared toward those who are being compelled to take the drug or risk losing their jobs, benefits, and pensions.  

As a provider, you make a recommendations.  That's not unreasonable.  What's different here is the mandate portion.  Employees and military personnel aren't receiving recommendations.

So when they are given a mandate, comply, and the response to their injury or death is "I'm sorry there are always risks associated"

It reminds me this phrase from a movie:

"Some of you may die.  But it's a sacrifice, I am willing to make".

You seem unable to comprehend the difference between a public health approach and an individual approach. 

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12 hours ago, canoehead said:

As long as the FDA doesnt have enough information to approve the vaccine beyond emergency use, none of us have any business saying we KNOW its safe. 

 

I got my vaccine, but respect the decision of others to wait. It's way too early to disown fellow nurses if they are skeptical.

I don't think ANYone here says they KNOW it's safe. They are saying it's likely safer and more effective than trying to achieve natural immunity.

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10 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That's common practice in the military and has been your entire life.  Hospitals and other health employers have required vaccination against preventable diseases your entire professional life. 

More HCWS will die from infection than will die from the vaccine and you know it. 

OK I was military 10 years. I KNEW going in I would be taking vaccines beyond what I had as a child. I accepted that. Yellow fever? Check. HEP A? check.

COVID? double check. I would take it again. Military know they have to vaccinate. Those who can't accept it may need to separate and find other employment that more aligns to their values of rugged individualism.

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12 hours ago, canoehead said:

As long as the FDA doesnt have enough information to approve the vaccine beyond emergency use, none of us have any business saying we KNOW its safe. 

 

And now that it is FDA approved?

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I am also one who will not tell someone to get or not get any vaccine without talking with their provider and doing research. Here are just a couple of things to think about when it comes to these vaccines. 

-The conflicting information from the CDC over the last 18 months. 

-Since vaccines are new are they truly safe?

-How many medications have been pulled off the market years later because of long term studies they were not as safe as originally believed?  Zantac is just one of the recent ones pulled.

- Do we really know the effectiveness of the vaccines when they are no considering booster shots. 
 

-We are told percentages but not totals. The article OP stated that none vaccinated individuals who had Covid but not vaccinated have a 2.39% greater chance of getting Covid again. Do we know how many people will get Covid if they are vaccinated?  If that number is 1 of every 1000 then the number of people who had Covid and not vaccinated would be 2.39 for every thousand.  These would show that vaccines are effective but the risk of getting reinfected if unvaccinated is also low. 
 But if the numbers were more like 250 out of 1000 and 597 out of 1000 respectfully  then the vaccines are not effective. 
These 2 scenarios are examples of why stating percentages do not always tell the true story. 

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https://www.medpagetoday.com/allergyimmunology/allergy/94303?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-09-01&eun=g1792505d0r&utm_source

Debunking the "I'm allergic"myth and 2.  a little humor on Ivermectin:

Trae in Raleigh 9/10 - 9/12 on Twitter: "ON RAND PAUL AND PEOPLE TAKIN IVERMECTIN https://t.co/ELeCQCnlm7" / Twitter

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15 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I know a ton of Trump and Biden supporters across many states who not once ever said that he (Trump) created the vaccine.....

This is stunning to me.

I live in a little blue cuccoon and have never heard Dems say they wouldn't take the vaccine.  So you see, my source is just about reliable as yours.  Perhaps you have some actual news reports on this?
 

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5 minutes ago, subee said:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/allergyimmunology/allergy/94303?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-09-01&eun=g1792505d0r&utm_source

Debunking the "I'm allergic"myth and 2.  a little humor on Ivermectin:

Trae in Raleigh 9/10 - 9/12 on Twitter: "ON RAND PAUL AND PEOPLE TAKIN IVERMECTIN https://t.co/ELeCQCnlm7" / Twitter

Trae is irreverent.  

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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trae is irreverent.  

Irreverent for sure, but not irrelevant!

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On 8/15/2021 at 12:07 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

Don't be disingenuous.  The "just in case" language that you apparently find unacceptable was entirely your own. You created the premise in the question that you now criticize. 

No, you share the articles that are telling you that it's recommended to forego vaccination because of previous infection, I've offered evidence that more than adequately answers your fears and concerns.  

How many people do not agree with a person carrying a hand gun who states they do “just in case I needed it” are saying get the vaccine because “ just in case” you might get reinfected?

On 8/15/2021 at 12:33 PM, Curious1997 said:

Don’t you think it's better to be safe than sorry in case they all come back as zombies looking like Mitch McConnell? 

Who are you going to blame then? ??????

Or worse then come back as Sleepy Joe. 

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13 minutes ago, subee said:

I live in a little blue cuccoon and have never heard Dems say they wouldn't take the vaccine.  So you see, my source is just about reliable as yours.  Perhaps you have some actual news reports on this?
 

I am not the one arguing that Trump made the vaccine. And everything I wrote was anecdotal. So I have no argument with you.

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28 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

I am also one who will not tell someone to get or not get any vaccine without talking with their provider and doing research. Here are just a couple of things to think about when it comes to these vaccines. 

-The conflicting information from the CDC over the last 18 months. 

-Since vaccines are new are they truly safe?

-How many medications have been pulled off the market years later because of long term studies they were not as safe as originally believed?  Zantac is just one of the recent ones pulled.

- Do we really know the effectiveness of the vaccines when they are no considering booster shots. 
 

-We are told percentages but not totals. The article OP stated that none vaccinated individuals who had Covid but not vaccinated have a 2.39% greater chance of getting Covid again. Do we know how many people will get Covid if they are vaccinated?  If that number is 1 of every 1000 then the number of people who had Covid and not vaccinated would be 2.39 for every thousand.  These would show that vaccines are effective but the risk of getting reinfected if unvaccinated is also low. 
 But if the numbers were more like 250 out of 1000 and 597 out of 1000 respectfully  then the vaccines are not effective. 
These 2 scenarios are examples of why stating percentages do not always tell the true story. 

Percentages aren't reliable for you?  I'll put this here for you to read.  The easy number they give for reinfection rate among the vaccinated is .08% (do the numbers really matter?)  But they do mention that some highly sick states have not submitted their numbers.  But, at any rate, less than 1% is a very low figure.  How low would it have to be before you got vaxxed?

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