Vaccination Mandating

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I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

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7 minutes ago, subee said:

Hysterical nonsense.  No one suggested what you have written.  Maybe you don't understand that we Vax to protect vulnerable people who can't be vaccinated .  No one is suggesting that the very few people who have a medical reason to avoid a Vax should be forced to take it.  Just stop it with your blathering. 

I understand perfectly. Blathering. That's hysterical. PMFB-RN alluded to just such a thing. I'm trying to get clarity on how the facility that they're working at is denying beds to serve covid patients. I can't get a straight answer. That's all I'm asking for, since the response was that other patients, such as MVA, were denied beds in favor of covid patients

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2 hours ago, DesiDani said:

(Getting to the bottom)

Oh okay. This is a long rant about Fox News. 

You wouldn't have to read this rant if Fox News had not shrugged  vaccinations off and  not given air time to people calling it a hoax.  So yeah, this posting of a network choosing ideology over life is relevant for a conversation about vaccine mandates.  We wouldn't be in this position if they had supported the medical science.. Since Ruoert Murdoch mandated vaccines for every studio employee, the hypocrisy makes it even more evil since they promoted hesitancy.  And here we are, just where the CDC said we would be if we didn't vaccinate up front ASAP with a more infectious variant.  You are dismissive of the wrong poster:(

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2 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I understand perfectly. Blathering. That's hysterical. PMFB-RN alluded to just such a thing. I'm trying to get clarity on how the facility that they're working at is denying beds to serve covid patients. I can't get a straight answer. That's all I'm asking for, since the response was that other patients, such as MVA, were denied beds in favor of covid patients

He said the MVA had to be airlifted out so wasn't denied a bed.  But I wouldn't have a problem with the non vaxxed covid pt. being airlifted out leaving room room for a serious trauma.  Problem is , if your place is overloaded with unvaxxed patients, so is the mothership to which they are being airlifted.  Our ER waits have been up to 9 hours for the past few weeks but it's starting to lift up slightly.  But I'm sure this new wave will drive even more nurses away.

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4 hours ago, DesiDani said:

Looks like your approach isn't working for your family. You're an effective poster boy for the vaccine in your own head.

Yikes.

I live roughly 4000 miles from my politically conservative family in the Great Lakes region.  I wasn't asked and didn't offer my opinion to any of them about covid vaccination.  They didn't appreciate my intolerance of Trump so they are a bit distant. Like so many other Trump supporters, they take lots of the legitimate criticism of the prior POTUS very personally. I have listened to their opinions multiple times and offer them data and factual information when they stray from their opinion into trying to establish fact. They are college educated adults in their 60s. 

Having said that, yeah, maybe my approach of not giving family and friends unsolicited advice from a small cabin in the interior of Alaska isn't working. LOL

That aside, I am not the topic of the thread and your opinion of what's in my head is irrelevant as well as a juvenile attempt to insult me rather than discuss the subject.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, subee said:

You wouldn't have to read this rant if Fox News had not shrugged  vaccinations off and  not given air time to people calling it a hoax.  So yeah, this posting of a network choosing ideology over life is relevant for a conversation about vaccine mandates.  We wouldn't be in this position if they had supported the medical science.. Since Ruoert Murdoch mandated vaccines for every studio employee, the hypocrisy makes it even more evil since they promoted hesitancy.  And here we are, just where the CDC said we would be if we didn't vaccinate up front ASAP with a more infectious variant.  You are dismissive of the wrong poster:(

Two things. First Rupert is dead. Second I don't waste time reading rants.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yikes

LOL! Contrived perturbation? 

 

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I wasn't asked and didn't offer my opinion to any of them about covid vaccination.

But yet...

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

They didn't appreciate my intolerance of Trump so they are a bit distant. Like so many other Trump supporters, they take lots of the legitimate criticism of the prior POTUS very personally. I have listened to their opinions multiple times and offer them data and factual information when they stray from their opinion into trying to establish fact. They are college educated adults in their 60s.

Make up your mind. Which is it? 

 

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Having said that, yeah, maybe my approach of not giving family and friends unsolicited advIce from a small cabin in the interior of Alaska isn't working. LOL

Glad you agree. Clearly you advice is not unsolicited. Also it appears when they don't lock step agree with you, you use ad hominem attacks cloaked in pretentious verbage. 

 

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

That aside, I am not the topic of the thread and your opinion of what's in my head is irrelevant as well as a juvenile attempt to insult me rather than discuss the subject.

Serving popcorn for that projection? Not an insult but an observation. 

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34 minutes ago, DesiDani said:

Two things. First Rupert is dead. Second I don't waste time reading rants.

He would probably be pretty surprised to hear he's dead.

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1 hour ago, DesiDani said:

Two things. First Rupert is dead

My mistake Rupert is not dead Ailes is. You are still ranting.

41 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

He would probably be pretty surprised to hear he's dead.

I'm sure he would. Caught it like I Biden Tall Tale.

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In light of this discussion thought I would share this because it has been weighing on me for the past two weeks. 

I have a young patient (30s) that got admitted to my local hospital with severe anemia and hypovolemic shock from a massive GI bleed, esophageal varices (pt has been sober more than year). Multiple EGDs with bandings unable to control UGIB; needs TIPS but no beds available at any tertiary center in transport range, waitlist full for more than a week. Hb is stable but in hypoxic respiratory failure and vented c/b HA-PNA. Still no ICU beds available; call our MICU fellow at our tertiary hospital, tells me >50% of beds occupied by COVID patients with LOS >3 weeks and unable to transfer out to free beds. Today's course: multiple PEs, d/w family and they have to choose CMO vs heparin drip knowing she is s/p UGIB without TIPS. Elect heparin drip, Hb falling. No longer a candidate for a tertiary bed. 

This is a young patient that is likely going to die, and I honestly believe if there was a bed open at a tertiary facility her course likely would have been different from the start. I can't help but think about the role of covid in this. In the same vein, I know that two of our local tertiary facilities are at capacity due to nursing shortages/strikes; this has been impacted by the vaccine mandate without question. If a non-vaccinated ICU nurse was available instead of on the picket lines, the patient may of had a bed. She would have been better off taking a small risk of covid over a much larger risk of having suboptimal care. 

This is a rough time. 

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18 hours ago, DesiDani said:

I don't think mandating is all that effective. It will get some, but it will make more people resistant. People do have a choice. The vaccine marketing could of been better.

I don't really see how no vaccine mandates would have resulted in more people being vaccinated.  It would seem to be a very small portion of people who declined to get vaccinated, there were going to but didn't because of mandates.  If you're opposed to getting vaccinated because of mandates then it would seem unlikely you're not opposed to it regardless of mandates.

If, lets say, we said that it's no longer required to follow speed limits, I find it pretty unlikely that would result in less speeding.  

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2 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I don't really see how no vaccine mandates would have resulted in more people being vaccinated.

Where did I say no mandates? I said they are not that effective, are harsh, and will reach a slag. Plenty are all in for mandates, but you gotta have an alternative approach.

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1 minute ago, DesiDani said:

Where did I say no mandates? I said they are not that effective, are harsh, and will reach a slag. Plenty are all in for mandates, but you gotta have an alternative approach.

What sort of alternative are you referring to?

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