Vaccination Mandating

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I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

Thanks all for your input. I'm enlightened ?! This thread is starting (in my opinion) be yet one of those bottomless pit threads. So I'm climbing to the surface. Have fun y'all !.

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3 hours ago, DesiDani said:

Thanks all for your input. I'm enlightened ?! This thread is starting (in my opinion) be yet one of those bottomless pit threads. So I'm climbing to the surface. Have fun y'all !.

It is thoughtful of you to send a thread to the depths of a bottomless pit and then flounce to the surface with a flippant comment.  Some just quietly disappear and never comment again on the doomed threads after lobbing in some misinformation. 

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On 12/16/2021 at 6:31 AM, hherrn said:

Yup.  She's serious.

Probably not about the actual embroidery.

She knows that Trump is a man who would give up political capital for the greater good.  Despite being booed by his base, if invited by Biden, he would do the right thing.  He could save lives by doing this, and if Biden would just invite him, he clearly would, despite the cost to him politically.

I find it amusing that two of the most uber conservatives on AN liked your post.  I appreciated the humorous snark.

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22 hours ago, PMFB-RN said:

No, I would deny them the bed in the first place. IMO we should keep a reserve of critical care beds available. When we have reached full capacity, minus the reserve, deny critical care beds beds to the unvaxxed COVID patients to preserve a reserve of available beds.

    Exactly how we have denied beds to trauma patients.

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When you say that your facility has "denied beds to trauma patients," are you saying that your facility had a bed and refused to admit the trauma patient?  Or, were there no beds available and you had to transfer the patient to another facility?

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36 minutes ago, chare said:

When you say that your facility has "denied beds to trauma patients," are you saying that your facility had a bed and refused to admit the trauma patient?  Or, were there no beds available and you had to transfer the patient to another facility?

When I said "we" I was speaking broadly, not about my particular hospital. I can easily post multiple links to reports of critical patients being denied beds by the unvaxxed choice to clog up the ICU. Some of whom died. 

   My particular hospital has had to turn critical patients after the unvaxxed denied them a bed by filling up the ICU. 

If you want to get a better idea of what we are dealing with:

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/health-med-fit/watch-now-rural-wisconsin-hospitals-burning-on-the-inside-with-covid-19-surge/article_5a8c8486-e99d-5f41-ac6b-f1443ccab90e.html

 

https://www.wpr.org/we-are-full-period-wisconsin-hospital-leaders-say-they-are-crisis-point-new-covid-19-surge

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13 hours ago, chare said:

When you say that your facility has "denied beds to trauma patients," are you saying that your facility had a bed and refused to admit the trauma patient?  Or, were there no beds available and you had to transfer the patient to another facility?

What's the difference?  The hospital(s) are filled with idiots who refused a vaccine and innocent people (including the staffs) have to suffer the consequences.  Unvaxxed people should not be permitted in a hospital.  That's why they should have tent facilities in the parking lots where the unvaxxed staffs can work.  Sounds harsh?  How about having to work in a facility who doesn't have the resources to do much else besides take care of Covid patients.  Only the most urgent cases can happen now in the OR's and emergent cases just have to stand in line.  The gene pool is being improved at a terrible expense to the rest of society.

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On 12/19/2021 at 9:36 AM, subee said:

What's the difference?  The hospital(s) are filled with idiots who refused a vaccine and innocent people (including the staffs) have to suffer the consequences.  Unvaxxed people should not be permitted in a hospital.  That's why they should have tent facilities in the parking lots where the unvaxxed staffs can work.  Sounds harsh?  How about having to work in a facility who doesn't have the resources to do much else besides take care of Covid patients.  Only the most urgent cases can happen now in the OR's and emergent cases just have to stand in line.  The gene pool is being improved at a terrible expense to the rest of society.

Would you refuse to treat if your mother, father, son, daughter, husband, wife was not vaccinated? Some of you nurses that are advocating for not treating the unvaccinated would not have that approach if it was one of your loved ones whose life was on the line.

Also since some of you insist that a different standard of care be provided for the vaccinated vs unvaccinated, then why don't you all make those recommendations to your state board of nursing? Maybe a change to the state nursing act needs to occur? Let's see what they have to say. Expressing your view points on an anonymous forum will not get you far in terms of putting your views into action. 

 I wanted to update everyone regarding the vaccine mandates. As per Biden "there is no federal solution to COVID-19" and its pretty much up to the states as to their approach regarding vaccine mandates.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/12/28/covid-biden-no-federal-solution-states-control-pandemic/9034179002/

How different states are approaching vaccine mandates:

https://leadingage.org/workforce/vaccine-mandates-state-who-who-isn't-and-how

 

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On 12/16/2021 at 2:27 AM, DesiDani said:

https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/08/25/with-covid-19-infections-surging-can-doctors-refuse-treatment-to-unvaccinated-patients/

Great article. This pretty much sum's it up.  

"In the case of COVID-19 patients in need of critical care, not only would refusing to administer treatment be highly unethical, it would violate a physician’s duty of care, which can carry legal implications, say several Northeastern experts."

So no it doesn't look like the unvaccinated are going to be refused beds anytime soon.

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On 12/18/2021 at 5:24 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

It is thoughtful of you to send a thread to the depths of a bottomless pit and then flounce to the surface with a flippant comment.  Some just quietly disappear and never comment again on the doomed threads after lobbing in some misinformation. 

That or they realize it's useless to attempt to find common ground with zealots. 

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2 hours ago, Sciencedude1 said:

That or they realize it's useless to attempt to find common ground with zealots. 

The only zealots in these threads are those pretending that vaccination isn't the pathway out of a covid pandemic.  They've been convinced to push against vaccination because their political beliefs have consumed their ability to reason or think critically...assuming that they could do those things prior to submitting to the wiles of the rhetoric. No, we've been unable to find common ground with them. 

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We should have kept our portable Covid centers open for strictly Covid patients. Keep all Covid (testing, treatment, vaccinations) away from clinics and hospitals. This wouldn't work in our current health care mafia system because it needs to make money. None of them want to turn away patients, especially now that they have to pay the big bucks to travel nurses. 

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