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Wow, I’m coming in late but I am blown away by the vitriol. Vaccines are barely effective and exceedingly risky for many ppl. As a nurse I would never force a patient to take a medication they didn’t want and I would never say that every pt should get the same dose of penicillin regardless of allergy or predisposition to injury. Vaccine laws are not only laughable but they are fraudulent. No safety studies, no informed consent, no recourse if you are injured (can’t sue the manufacturer, you’re up against the fed govt), and not only are you forced to get them but you get attacked for even having concerns. You can legally abort your baby but not refuse a vaccine.  It’s ludicrous.

Im vaccinated and am vehemently opposed to them, but I will get fired if I refuse. It’s disgusting. 

It should be your body, your choice especially when you’re injecting formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal dna, live monkey viruses, etc. into your body. It’s a real shame that nurses are so quick to clobber a person for advocating for themselves. 

Vaccines are very much a deity in the medical field and our country overall, it’s a religion that dehumanizes decenters. It’s unfounded and it’s bullying. 

To the OP- I share your belief on vaccines, the risks do outway the benefit. Unfortunately though, in order to be a nurse you have to submit to an unnecessary medical intervention without informed consent to practice. There doesn’t seem to be any way around it currently. It won’t always be that way tho, the cat is out of the bag about the corrupt and fraudulent CDC and a lot more ppl are waking up to the dangers. You only have one body so you have to do what’s right for you...and tune out those who get aggressive, it’s the first indication that they are coming from a place of emotion and not of facts.  

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8 hours ago, ukgirl7655 said:

It should be your body, your choice especially when you’re injecting formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal dna, live monkey viruses, etc. into your body.

 

 unnecessary medical intervention without informed consent

You're hilarious. Do you use essential oils, too?

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8 hours ago, ukgirl7655 said:

Wow, I’m coming in late but I am blown away by the vitriol. Vaccines are barely effective and exceedingly risky for many ppl. As a nurse I would never force a patient to take a medication they didn’t want and I would never say that every pt should get the same dose of penicillin regardless of allergy or predisposition to injury. Vaccine laws are not only laughable but they are fraudulent. No safety studies, no informed consent, no recourse if you are injured (can’t sue the manufacturer, you’re up against the fed govt), and not only are you forced to get them but you get attacked for even having concerns. You can legally abort your baby but not refuse a vaccine.  It’s ludicrous.

Im vaccinated and am vehemently opposed to them, but I will get fired if I refuse. It’s disgusting. 

It should be your body, your choice especially when you’re injecting formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal dna, live monkey viruses, etc. into your body. It’s a real shame that nurses are so quick to clobber a person for advocating for themselves. 

Vaccines are very much a deity in the medical field and our country overall, it’s a religion that dehumanizes decenters. It’s unfounded and it’s bullying. 

To the OP- I share your belief on vaccines, the risks do outway the benefit. Unfortunately though, in order to be a nurse you have to submit to an unnecessary medical intervention without informed consent to practice. There doesn’t seem to be any way around it currently. It won’t always be that way tho, the cat is out of the bag about the corrupt and fraudulent CDC and a lot more ppl are waking up to the dangers. You only have one body so you have to do what’s right for you...and tune out those who get aggressive, it’s the first indication that they are coming from a place of emotion and not of facts.  

Oh yeah the corrupt and fraudulent CDC that is just making up all these cases of measles outbreaks because of anti-vaxxers. You can legally refuse a vaccine, it's called don't work in health care with immunocompromised clients and force them to be at risk because you believe made up studies that vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they prevent. 

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8 hours ago, ukgirl7655 said:

Im vaccinated and am vehemently opposed to them, but I will get fired if I refuse. It’s disgusting. 

 

@ukgirl7655, do you really believe it should be your right to remain unvaccinated, potentially contract a preventable disease, and bring it to work where we are charged with caring for very sick and vulnerable people? I’m really not trying to sound nasty, but that is just something I can’t comprehend and i don’t understand why someone who opposes proven medical science would go into a profession where evidence is the cornerstone of our practice. 

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10 hours ago, ukgirl7655 said:

Vaccines are barely effective and exceedingly risky for many ppl. As a nurse I would never force a patient to take a medication they didn’t want and I would never say that every pt should get the same dose of penicillin regardless of allergy or predisposition to injury. Vaccine laws are not only laughable but they are fraudulent. No safety studies, no informed consent, no recourse if you are injured (can’t sue the manufacturer, you’re up against the fed govt), and not only are you forced to get them but you get attacked for even having concerns. You can legally abort your baby but not refuse a vaccine.  It’s ludicrous.

I am so confused by all of this. No one would/should administer penicillin to someone that is allergic. That's not what happens. Vaccines have been proven effective and the only reason that measles is rampant again is due to the people who believe in what you believe in. Patients are also able to refuse medication, it's not illegal. It's not even illegal for you to refuse to be vaccinated; it is against your company policy and you chose to work for that company. Nurses DO advocate for their patients, but they also educate. And proven science is something nurses sometimes need to educate others on. And there is no informed consent for vaccines but when I go to the doctor and say "I'd like (insert vaccine here)", I know what I am asking for. If not, or if your doctor is stating you should get whichever vaccine, you can ask your doctor what is it for and decide if you want to get the vaccine. Doctors and nurses aren't running around willy nilly stabbing people in the arms with the MMR vaccine. That would be battery. And you work in healthcare? I feel like you don't seem to understand how any of this works....

10 hours ago, ukgirl7655 said:

Vaccines are very much a deity in the medical field and our country overall, it’s a religion that dehumanizes decenters. It’s unfounded and it’s bullying. 

Again, the benefits of vaccines ARE founded. There are decades of research on how well they have worked and eradicated diseases. Stating science and requiring someone who is taking care of sick people to be vaccinated to reduce the possible exposure to patients isn't bullying, it's common sense. A parent who doesn't vaccinate his/her kids and brings her exposed child to a dr's office where babies and sick children and parents who are unable (not unwilling) to get vaccinated are now at risk is more bullying than telling someone that vaccines work and look! here's proof! 

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ThatChickOmi has 1 years experience as a ADN, RN and specializes in Med/Surg.

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People will let their dogs lick their faces and mouths and go home with some dude they just met at the bar, but won't get the flu vaccine because they're convinced it contains trace amounts of jet fuel and dragonfly eggs.

 

lol

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, ThatChickOmi said:

People will let their dogs lick their faces and mouths and go home with some dude they just met at the bar, but won't get the flu vaccine because they're convinced it contains trace amounts of jet fuel and dragonfly eggs.

 

lol

 

 

 

Nevermind that a tuna sammich has more mercury and that a breast-fed baby gets more mercury in 6 months from the milk than vaccines.

I've posted the study a couple different times-- one literally cannot reason with anti-vaxxers.  Like Flat-Earthers, they are immune to any sort of logic. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, ukgirl7655 said:

Im vaccinated and am vehemently opposed to them, but I will get fired if I refuse. It’s disgusting. 

It should be your body, your choice especially when you’re injecting formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal dna, live monkey viruses, etc. into your body. It’s a real shame that nurses are so quick to clobber a person for advocating for themselves. 

You complain about not having informed consent, well.  Honey.  If you think all those things are in vaccines in any kind of quantity to do any kind of damage, you're not informed.  You're just a conspiracy theorist who knows nothing of chemistry, microbiology or genetic engineering.

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If you believe that all the measles cases are a result of unvaccinated then you are very uninformed. Look into it, you’ll find that many cases are in vaccinated ppl and they are actually finding mutant forms that originated from the vaccine strand of the virus. Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc. are largely trivial diseases.  Plus you get a lifelong immunity from measles/mumps/chicken pox (not sure about rubella) as opposed to having to get boosters. Appx 10% of the pop is resistant to the vaccines so they get zero protection but all the toxins, and we don’t even isolate ppl who are shedding the injected virus (live viruses like MMR) for sometimes  up to several months. Never mind ppl coming into the country that haven’t been vaccinated. Some studies have also found that those who are vaccinated can still get infected but not have the symptoms, therefore are contagious and don’t even realize it. They have not been proven safe and effective. So herd immunity (90-95% of the pop immunized) is unattainable. I also pause at the fact that we are FAR more vaccinated today than ever before, it’s harder to get exemptions, and yet measles on the rise? Funny thing, that.

There are literally no safety studies on vaccines. No placebo group in any trials. The CDC absolutely fabricated data on their 2004 study that looked  at the risk for autism with the mmr vaccine. One of the cdcs senior  scientists that worked on that study  (Dr. William Thompson) was the whistle blower on what was done to skew the numbers. 

I don’t know what amount of aborted fetal dna, aluminum (a neurotoxin), mercury (neurotoxin), formaldehyde (a carcinogen) and live monkey viruses you find acceptable to inject into your body, but I don’t want any.  At least the stuff we ingest goes through our digestive system, as opposed to being fully absorbed via IM. 

Autism appears to be linked to children who are incapable of detoxing heavy metals efficiently, but they don’t  test babies for this predisposition prior to vaccinating them. Why not?! Autism has increased exponentially in the last several decades, at the same time the number of vaccines containing these adjuvants has quadrupled. If following the cdcs recommended schedule, children in the us receive  70 something antigens by the age of 5. I think there are other factors at play concerning the crap they spray in the air and on our foods that contribute, but you can’t say vaccines are safe bc they have never even been studied for safety like other drugs. I just find that mind blowing. The HPV vaccine was known to the cdc to INCREASE the risk for cervical cancer in ppl who had already been exposed to the virus prior to vaccination — they released it to the public without acknowledging that fact and continue to this day to vaccinate WITHOUT screening for previous exposure. Think about that. That’s a whole lot of unnecessary risk for a cancer with the mortality rate in the US of like 0.5%. 

One of the leading aluminum specialist globally (a neuroscientist our of Britain) studied the brains of ppl who had suffered from Alzheimer’s disease and found that they contained the highest levels of aluminum ever to be noted in humans (of particular interest to me bc we have early onset Alzheimer’s in my family)...so he was convinced to look into a possible link in autistic brains. He tested 5 brains (one was that of a 15 yr old) and found that they had even higher levels of aluminum that the Alzheimer’s brains. He is now being crucified for suggesting such a thing 🙄

the science is far from settled, it hasn’t even begun...bc the cdc and big pharma won’t do the studies. The only safety study done on vaccines and autism was on the 2004 MMR  one —  no other vaccines  — and instead of having a placebo group who got a saline injection for comparison (which is science 101) it went like this: one group got the full vaccine that included the antigens and all the toxic adjuvants, the “placebo” group got the toxic adjuvants WITHOUT the antigens (no saline, no placebo, just poison without antigens). What they heck kind of study is that?!?!  Unsurprisingly, they found only a marginal uptick in autism risk in the group that received the full vaccine, but then they said it was statistically irrelevant and therefore all vaccines are safe and effective. And they won’t even look at the health and/or autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. Why not? Wouldn’t that shut antivaxxers up if they did the actual science and proved once and for all that there are no risks associated with vaccines? 

The US is the only developed country that gives hep b on day 1 of life (bc babies are at risk for STDs and sharing needles I guess?!) and ironically we also have the highest infant mortality rate of all developed countries. That certainly doesn’t prove cause, but it’s another signal that something isn’t right. 

I’ll show y’all more respect than you show those of us that question the script, I don’t fault anyone for doing what they think is right for them or their children. We should all have the right to body autonomy, our body and our choice. But I would at least encourage ppl to look into the lack of safety studies  that have been done. Keeping in mind too that the cdc  holds vaccine patents itself — conflict of interest?! It’s all just so sketchy.

Im not against the idea of inoculating, but they should have to prove to us that the vaccines are in fact safe for humans. Vaccines should be put through the same level of vigorous testing as Lipitor and all these other drugs that have to be proven safe. Why on earth wouldn’t they be? Especially considering that they are frickin mandatory for schools, daycares, colleges, healthcare providers...with exemptions becoming more and more difficult to secure. 

Not only do I not want to inject that crap into my body, but it really ticks me off that we are essentially guinea pigs for big pharma and are being misled about safety. Some ppl may never suffer a vaccine injury, but manymanymany others have and will. So how can we give everyone the same dose of the same crap (without any prescreening for risk factors)  and then pretend everyone will respond favorably..and if you do suffer injury you are told it’s genetic, you’re crazy, and oh yeah - you have to sue the us govt bc they took over accountability from pharma. It’s as corrupt as DC. It’s all about the money. And the more injuries sustained, the more lifelong customers that are in need of medication — from? Big pharma. 

And just to be clear, I was always provaccine. I went head to head with antivaxxers with the exact same arguments you all making (and I believe you all are acting in good faith, I don’t question your motive or intent at all), I scoffed at the ignorance of antivaxxers and guilted them about risking the health of others. How selfish and uninformed they must be. It wasn’t until I actually really looked into it that my mind was blown. Its not even hidden, it’s just suppressed by dehumanizing the decenters and censoring them on social media and streaming platforms. The CDC won’t even attempt to scientifically dispel the naysayers bc they don’t have to. They have a whole army of citizens to attack the pro-science vaccine skeptics and  they simply silence and shut them down. 

And to one of the commenters  above, no I do not use essential oils. Although a pulmonologist I work with swears by them. And one of the highest ranked hospitals in my area have an essential oils program offered to inpt. 

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@ukgirl7655I feel like you just managed to get me a bingo on 'antivaxxer who doesn't know what she's talking about' bingo.  I think you literally hit every single easily disputed myth that I've ever seen an antivaxxer bring up.  Congratulations. If you actually are a nurse--which I doubt because I'm pretty sure you're just a troll--you do not deserve to call yourself one.  You're a danger to patient safety and to medical integrity with beliefs that far out into the weeds.  Unfortunately, the levels of ridiculous belief are so far out into the weeds that it's not worth my time and energy to dispute what you've said.  I highly recommend you take a course on statistics and another on reading scientific studies and then take some time to attempt to dispute your own arguments.  It's the best way to learn how your own arguments hold up and it's always a good thing to challenge your own beliefs.  I say that as someone who was on the fence, leaning antivax, for years and I went and learned to read studies and then read up on the points against my own arguments to try and strengthen my views that vaccines were not safe.  Unfortunately, the science is very settled and I became provaxx.  Good luck to you.

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3 hours ago, ukgirl7655 said:

 

There are literally no safety studies on vaccines. . 

In a post full of crazy ignorance, this statement is the "best." You're a liar.  Here is a link to a couple dozen safety studies of vaccines.

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/Vaccine-Studies-Examine-the-Evidence.aspx

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