Using Your Nursing Credentials to Validate Anti-Vaxxer Theories

[Helen Crump]

As nurses we are supposed to understand and follow science. Yet all over the country nurses are using their background to validate crackpot theories about Covid and the vaccine. Should there be consequences for leading an effort to hurt the public health? After all, it violates basic nursing ethics in particular, do no harm. Should boards of nurses sanction these people or should the ANA or other associations put out a statement saying these folk don't represent us?

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

22 hours ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Personal choice is personal choice. If posters imply that it’s not right for someone to make a personal choice which might kill another human being.  Why are they not up in arms when a personal choice will always kill another human being?  

Well a lot of those people would state that a fetus is not a human being, completely negating your point. Then we could argue back and forth about when life begins, and next thing you know, no one is talking about nurses using their credentials to spread misinformation about the Covid vaccine and instead are embroiled in a pro-choice/anti-choice debate.

Was that your intention? To divert?

I agree with the OP of this thread. Take your anti choice argument to your own thread.

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

However, in this moment in history it is not a mystery which leaders lied to their populations and the biggest liar in the United States political arena was and is Trump.  This thread is about covid and people like the previous president or nurses  giving credibility to lies about covid which results in lower vaccination rates.  

And I'm answering as to why people may not trust our govt or its agencies due to a past history of lies of various levels. It's to add to the commentary as to why some may not trust and have hesitancy, not blame a specific leader

[toomuchbaloney]

4 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

And I'm answering as to why people may not trust our govt or its agencies due to a past history of lies of various levels. It's to add to the commentary as to why some may not trust and have hesitancy, not blame a specific leader

Yes, it's fairly obvious that it's an attempt to deflect the scrutiny and accountability away from the fellow who actually engaged in blatant lies and creation of distrust about this pandemic in the United States throughout the first year.  Maybe people don't trust the scientists because people like him suggested that they shouldn't.  

[jive turkey]

5 hours ago, Hannahbanana said:

If you are vaccinated, you may well be protected from serious disease; even if you have a breakthrough case it will very likely be mild and almost certainly you will not be sick enough to be hospitalized or die. However, recent findings indicate that you *can* still acquire and carry the virus asymptomatically. More effective vaccinations can decrease the societal/community viral load. This is also why even if you are vaccinated, you should wear a mask to protect others. 

This is a point of discussion,  viral load:

Today, some of those data were published in CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), demonstrating that Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus

while this doesn't mean "don't take the vaccine" we have to consider this notion of being outraged with the unvaccinated and blaming them for "putting others/ patients" at risk.  

Nobody is exempt from spread 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

When we start blaming certain leaders you are giving your opinion and if your patients feel that your opinion is off base they will also not trust you. 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

40 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

Well a lot of those people would state that a fetus is not a human being, completely negating your point. Then we could argue back and forth about when life begins, and next thing you know, no one is talking about nurses using their credentials to spread misinformation about the Covid vaccine and instead are embroiled in a pro-choice/anti-choice debate.

Was that your intention? To divert?

I agree with the OP of this thread. Take your anti choice argument to your own thread.

It was to show that people can be hypocrites about someone making a personal choice. 

[Helen Crump]

3 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

This is a point of discussion,  viral load:

Today, some of those data were published in CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), demonstrating that Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people. High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus

while this doesn't mean "don't take the vaccine" we have to consider this notion of being outraged with the unvaccinated and blaming them for "putting others/ patients" at risk.  

Nobody is exempt from spread 

Yeah, actually we can leave it with the unvaccinated and the unmasked because their actions are what led to the rise and proliferation of the variant in the first place. 

[jive turkey]

2 minutes ago, Helen Crump said:

Yeah, actually we can leave it with the unvaccinated and the unmasked because their actions are what led to the rise and proliferation of the variant in the first place. 

How can you say that when the variant was already out there before the vaccine was available? Everyone was unmasked for a period. Remember when Faucci said 

There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.” 

Everybody gets a piece of this

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

41 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

we have to consider this notion of being outraged with the unvaccinated and blaming them for "putting others/ patients" at risk.  

Nobody is exempt from spread 

… which is why we should all wear our damn masks. 

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

How can you say that when the variant was already out there before the vaccine was available? Everyone was unmasked for a period. Remember when Faucci said 

There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.” 

Everybody gets a piece of this

I actually looked to see when Dr. Fauci said this. It was in March 2020, before we really knew that much about transmission, and he was trying to preserve masks for HCPs, as evidenced by what he said later in this interview: 

" I’m not against it (meaning wearing masks). If you want to do it, that’s fine."

"LaPook (the interviewer): But it can lead to a shortage of masks?"

"Fauci: Exactly, that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it."

 

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes, it's fairly obvious that it's an attempt to deflect the scrutiny and accountability away from the fellow who actually engaged in blatant lies and creation of distrust about this pandemic in the United States throughout the first year.  Maybe people don't trust the scientists because people like him suggested that they shouldn't.  

Actually, he has been very public about getting thd vaccine and encouraging others. Our current pres and vice president at first rejected the notion. While I'll admit the previous president didn't handle it well, the current has sent mixed messages as well. Now, in an effort to keep on track, we need to stop the peeing match blame game and admit that it all adds to the reason people are distrustful of governments and their mandates

[SmilingBluEyes]

3 hours ago, Jeckrn1 said:

When we start blaming certain leaders you are giving your opinion and if your patients feel that your opinion is off base they will also not trust you. 

The blame is well-placed on the previous Presidential Administration IMO. They twarted progress with their inaction and lies.