Using Your Nursing Credentials to Validate Anti-Vaxxer Theories

[Helen Crump]

As nurses we are supposed to understand and follow science. Yet all over the country nurses are using their background to validate crackpot theories about Covid and the vaccine. Should there be consequences for leading an effort to hurt the public health? After all, it violates basic nursing ethics in particular, do no harm. Should boards of nurses sanction these people or should the ANA or other associations put out a statement saying these folk don't represent us?

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Actually, he has been very public about getting thd vaccine and encouraging others. Our current pres and vice president at first rejected the notion. While I'll admit the previous president didn't handle it well, the current has sent mixed messages as well. Now, in an effort to keep on track, we need to stop the peeing match blame game and admit that it all adds to the reason people are distrustful of governments and their mandates

This isn't the place for this discussion and partisan misrepresentation of facts, as you are aware.   No, I won't admit to your characterizations.   

The only thing that keeps this conversation on track is to stay on the topic of lending credibility to an argument that leads to vaccine delay.  Nurses are some of the people doing that...right in these very threads.  They are doing it sometimes for very mixed motivations.  

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

29 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The only thing that keeps this conversation on track is to stay on the topic of lending credibility to an argument that leads to vaccine delay.  Nurses are some of the people doing that...right in these very threads.  They are doing it sometimes for very mixed motivations.  

Again, with so many mixed messages out there by our own govt officials, current admin included, it's very easy to see why people can become confused with the info. Your choice to ignore that is simply that, your choice. Don't make my choice to acknowledge the confusing info put out over the last year partisan fodder. 

[toomuchbaloney]

5 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Again, with so many mixed messages out there by our own govt officials, current admin included, it's very easy to see why people can become confused with the info. Your choice to ignore that is simply that, your choice. Don't make my choice to acknowledge the confusing info put out over the last year partisan fodder. 

It does matter who seems to be more confused or distrustful of the government.  I'm not ignoring anything.  I'm considering what you are suggesting and measuring it against what is in evidence.  The evidence says that there is reason that people are confused; because there is a campaign of confusion and concern and caution being waged in American social media which encourages vaccine hesitancy and push back against mitigation.  The polling shows us who is targeted and affected by the misinformation and fear mongering.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/

 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

10 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

The blame is well-placed on the previous Presidential Administration IMO. They twarted progress with their inaction and lies.

 

Trump shut down travel with China and was called a racist and there was no reason to do it are now the same ones saying he didn’t do enough. 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It does matter who seems to be more confused or distrustful of the government.  I'm not ignoring anything.  I'm considering what you are suggesting and measuring it against what is in evidence.  The evidence says that there is reason that people are confused; because there is a campaign of confusion and concern and caution being waged in American social media which encourages vaccine hesitancy and push back against mitigation.  The polling shows us who is targeted and affected by the misinformation and fear mongering.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/

 

When you make a mandate and you exempt Congress, illegal aliens, companies with less than 100 people from the mandate what does that tell the American people. It projects to the Americans that the vaccine is not needed and it is all about power over the people.   It just like the virus can’t spread at a box store but it will at local mom & pop store. You have to wear a mask as you stand up or walk through a restaurant but as soon as you sit down you can take off your mask and the virus won’t get you.  No the US government doesn’t fund gain of function testing, oh wait yes we did fund it through a front company. 

Don’t blame social media for pointing out the lies, half truths etc. of Dr. Facui and this administration when you have the so called news media not asking the questions why about the above you have to find your information somewhere. A lot of the same people who praised social media during the last administration are not blaming it because it is showing how this president couldn’t find his way out an open door with one foot already out. 

These are just a few reasons why Americans are hesitant to get the vaccine and if you don’t or will not see it then you to are part of the problem. 

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

18 hours ago, Hannahbanana said:

18 hours ago, Hannahbanana said:

OK, I'm going to say this again: as a RN, I understand all of this, so this was wasted on me, but okay ?. What I put out there is that I can totally understand, with the varying information coming from various sources out there over the last year, why individuals in the general public may have some confusion as to why the vaccine may or not be a good idea for them. Many want to politicize this. It's easy to, when we see politicians on the news, who just chastised the public for being mask resistant, out hamming it up at weddings, fund raisers, etc, maskless.  Just recently AOC, pulled this at the MET gala, while waitstaff had to be masked. The MET stated all guest had to be vaxxed. When pressed, they admitted that all waitstaff was vaxxed as well. Why the rules for thee, not for me? And we wonder why members of the general public may be confused, when these mixed messages are displayed by government officials who should be leading by example

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

Let’s now put this in context and make the pants material the same size that none N95 mask are to the virus.  If the guy and you both wear fish net stockings you will still get peed on. 

[Wuzzie]

11 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Let’s now put this in context and make the pants material the same size that none N95 mask are to the virus.

I'm going to assume you realize that the virus cannot travel by itself. It needs a glob of spit or snot to move, both of which are larger than the pores of even cloth masks. Your "fishnet" comparison is an overreach in a normal environment.  Also, masking is less about filtering the air coming in and more to do with keeping your spit/snot globs from flying out which they do very well. Again people seem to forget that this is a layered approach. None of the interventions by themselves are 100% but add them together and you are much better protected than by relying on a single approach. I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand. 

[GrumpyRN, NP]

8 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

I'm going to assume you realize that the virus cannot travel by itself.

No they don't understand this. They think that the virus is like a little worm that wriggles and crawls its way into people because they (and I've said it before about them and their conspiracy partner jive turkey) have little or no medical/nursing knowledge.

 

12 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

I'm going to assume you realize that the virus cannot travel by itself. It needs a glob of spit or snot to move, both of which are larger than the pores of even cloth masks. Your "fishnet" comparison is an overreach in a normal environment.  Also, masking is less about filtering the air coming in and more to do with keeping your spit/snot globs from flying out which they do very well. Again people seem to forget that this is a layered approach. None of the interventions by themselves are 100% but add them together and you are much better protected than by relying on a single approach. I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand. 

They understand none of this.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

25 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Let’s now put this in context and make the pants material the same size that none N95 mask are to the virus.  If the guy and you both wear fish net stockings you will still get peed on. 

https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

[toomuchbaloney]

They are as confused about the mechanics of transmission as they are about how badly republican political leadership is performing during this American pandemic experience. 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

1 hour ago, Wuzzie said:

I'm going to assume you realize that the virus cannot travel by itself. It needs a glob of spit or snot to move, both of which are larger than the pores of even cloth masks. Your "fishnet" comparison is an overreach in a normal environment.  Also, masking is less about filtering the air coming in and more to do with keeping your spit/snot globs from flying out which they do very well. Again people seem to forget that this is a layered approach. None of the interventions by themselves are 100% but add them together and you are much better protected than by relying on a single approach. I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand. 

Per the CDC

The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is through exposure to respiratory fluids carrying infectious virus. Exposure occurs in inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles.

Yes it does spread on larger items but if the mask is not sealed whatever you exhale will take the route of less resistance.  The non N95 mask only stop a small percentage of the exhaled virus  

Which is their #1 way of transmission.  Take this as you may but that proves my analogy correct