The choice to not take the COVID vaccine I feel is not defendable. The facts are that 99% of hospitalizations/deaths due to COVID are unvaccinated patients currently. This has caused a more severe strain on a already extremely stressed hospital staff, shortage of equipment and services, injury and death from other causes due to delay of care and suffering of everyone involved in the hospitalized COVID patient among other issues. Virologists report delta and other strains are accelerated and created due to the numbers of unvaccinated people in the US. The fact that vaccination rates have only increased about 20% since July with the information available is appalling, while there are 130k new infections daily in the US. This should not be a personal or individual choice and appears due to unfounded anxiety, medical or religious exception and or politics.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
4 hours ago, Charlcie said:
From that article it seems like washington is being conservative with accepting patients so they can conserve beds. Have ya'll had to send any patients there ?
For covid...probably not yet. But that's where we send people who need care that isn't available in Alaska.
I had a fellow nurse the other day explain to me that the Covid vaccines are all tied into the fact that Covid was invented to facilitate Child trafficking because the 'elites' harvest adrenochrome from children to use as a sort of youth serum, and that Fauci is one of 'the worst' of these child traffickers. And for good measure threw in the claim that the ship that got stuck in the Suez canal was Hillary Clinton's personal child trafficking ship, which was so obvious because her secret service code name was "Evergreen", and the ship had the word "Evergreen" painted on the side. "It was so obvious" as she pointed out.
I've met some loony, poorly-educated nurses, but this is really scary.
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6 hours ago, klone said:
You forget that prior to last Spring, the vaccine was not available. I personally know 3 people who have died (two of them were a nurse friend and her husband, leaving behind 4 young children), have a very good friend who has been in the ICU since July (almost died, now is doing better) - she was on ECMO for SIX WEEKS. While it appears now that she will survive, she will likely need a lung transplant, and may need a kidney transplant as well. And another nurse friend who has been unable to work because she can't walk more than 20 feet without getting completely winded. All of them share the same thing - they were unvaccinated.
Point taken!
The massacre by COVID was primarily on the left and rights coasts, primarily in blue areas of the country. (New Orleans got hit early too.)
Most folks who witnessed teh carnage first hard were teh same places that got very serious about COVID right quick.
Sorry to hear about your friends, and sorry they didn't pay attention to the right media sources. (or ignored them for some reason?) Are you in a highly hesitant territory? Peer pressure kind of thing?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
2 minutes ago, imppress said:
The massacre by COVID was primarily on the left and rights coasts, primarily in blue areas of the country. (New Orleans got hit early too.)
Where is the carnage located now? There are no blue areas of the country when it comes to a pandemic...there are areas that are promoting individual mitigation like masking and vaccination and there are areas that are not. That pursuit of public health goals shouldn't be a red or blue issue right? It's interesting that so many conservatives view pandemic mitigation through a political filter rather than filters more focused on science, altruism or patriotism.
The massacre by COVID was primarily on the left and rights coasts, primarily in blue areas of the country. (New Orleans got hit early too.)
Early in the pandemic the east and west coast got hit hard, true. These places have additional things in common (other than being "blue"): population density, ports of entry, indoor seasons.
...School entrance mandates are probably the single most effective thing we’ve done to achieve high vaccination rates in the United States, said James Colgrove, a professor of sociomedical sciences at Columbia University. “Can you achieve it through voluntary means? No. Not really,” he told me.
Mandates have focused on kids both because they are particularly at risk of severe illness and because schools are such a perfect incubator for transmission. Pack a bunch of people with no naturally acquired immunity into one building five days a week, add a child’s complete lack of boundaries and you’ve got disease soup....
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5 hours ago, imppress said:
Sorry to hear about your friends, and sorry they didn't pay attention to the right media sources. (or ignored them for some reason?) Are you in a highly hesitant territory? Peer pressure kind of thing?
What about my post did you not understand? The three people I know who have died (and the one on disability) all got Covid before vaccines were available. They would have been first in line to get the vaccine, but never got the chance. It had nothing to do with not paying attention to the right media sources.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
On 9/17/2021 at 6:03 AM, BostonFNP said:
It is an enema by definition.
Really we have given tons of the stuff to the animals on the farm but always orally never by enema. I just read that the primary administration route is oral but can be given as an enema in patients who can’t tolerate oral administration.
Ummm I could be wrong but most covid pts in ICU die before hospice status just sayin
She is correct. At some hospitals when a patient is dying in the ICU, and on life support, they will ask the family if they want that person transferred to hospice if they patient lives past a certain amount of time. I have been in the room with family (not dying of COVID) and was told if the patient lives past 1 hour, do you want them transferred to Hospice, and the paperwork was signed off on. That patient is discharged from ICU care, and put into hospice care even if they don't leave the ICU room. When my aunt passed, this occured. Her daughter signed the paperwork, and even though she did not live passed 10 minutes, when she got the records they had discharged her from ICU the minute the paperwork for Hospice was signed and she was admitted to Hospice even though she never left the ICU room. Hope that helps.
I laughed for the entire 4 minutes I spent reading that article!
I found this whole thing sad. That is what we have become? Picking on those that don't want to get the vaccine for whatever reason, looking down our noses at them, making fun of them. Talking about how much better you are for having taken the vaccine? That is how you are getting your kicks. I find that sad. Yes, I also find it sad people not getting the vaccine for reasons that are not good, but I understand some of the mistrust. And it goes back years and years. And no I am not conspiracy theorist. Some people actually have a really hard time knowing who to trust and have real fears over getting the vaccine, and it is hard to watch those people try to explain to you why they don't want to get it, or being afraid of making the wrong choice for them. Getting it or not. I don't and would NEVER make fun of another person for not getting the vaccine. It is not becoming of us.
Wearing tin foil hats and spreading nonsense about covid vaccines during a deadly pandemic also doesn't represent nursing in very becoming ways.
Great when you find those people wearing the foil hats let me know. Most I know that are on the fence have serious questions about the vaccine and are just seeking answers. I bet if the places these nurses worked at found out how they were talking about there patients on this site, they would be fired.
8 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Wearing tin foil hats and spreading nonsense about covid vaccines during a deadly pandemic also doesn't represent nursing in very becoming ways.
AND they were NOT talking about other nurses most of them were talking about stuff from their patients. If you are going to comment on mine at lest make sense.
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For covid...probably not yet. But that's where we send people who need care that isn't available in Alaska.