The choice to not take the COVID vaccine I feel is not defendable. The facts are that 99% of hospitalizations/deaths due to COVID are unvaccinated patients currently. This has caused a more severe strain on a already extremely stressed hospital staff, shortage of equipment and services, injury and death from other causes due to delay of care and suffering of everyone involved in the hospitalized COVID patient among other issues. Virologists report delta and other strains are accelerated and created due to the numbers of unvaccinated people in the US. The fact that vaccination rates have only increased about 20% since July with the information available is appalling, while there are 130k new infections daily in the US. This should not be a personal or individual choice and appears due to unfounded anxiety, medical or religious exception and or politics.
Where is the carnage located now? There are no blue areas of the country when it comes to a pandemic...there are areas that are promoting individual mitigation like masking and vaccination and there are areas that are not. That pursuit of public health goals shouldn't be a red or blue issue right? It's interesting that so many conservatives view pandemic mitigation through a political filter rather than filters more focused on science, altruism or patriotism.
What??? That can't be right. There has to be blue areas of the country when it comes to the pandemic. Most of the anti vaxxs are republicans right?? That makes that a blue or red state comment that has been made by many of you on here. Even on the news medial all the big ones mostly republicans are anti vaxx sounds like that matters to me. Or does it just depend on who is making an argument.. seems so
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17 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
And who said that did??? God you must be dense. I don't understand you am talking about they way nurses talk about their patients. What do you do...
Well its not becoming of nurses that spread misinformation about vaccines.
OF COURSE it is not becoming. Did I say that it was???????
I worry about you sometimes toomuchbaloney
You quoted that one paragraph 3 times. It definitely struck a chord with you. It's nice that you worry about a retired old nurse in Alaska. I worry about nursing professionals who think that it might be OK to choose not to vaccinate against this virus at this point in time.
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3 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
What??? That can't be right. There has to be blue areas of the country when it comes to the pandemic. Most of the anti vaxxs are republicans right?? That makes that a blue or red state comment that has been made by many of you on here. Even on the news medial all the big ones mostly republicans are anti vaxx sounds like that matters to me. Or does it just depend on who is making an argument.. seems so
Yes..
The demographic data of those who are unvaccinated shows that republicans are more likely than democrats and conservatives more often than liberals to remain unvaccinated. Why do you suppose that is true? Why have conservatives decided that covid mitigation or vaccination choices are political issues?
Where is the carnage located now? There are no blue areas of the country when it comes to a pandemic...there are areas that are promoting individual mitigation like masking and vaccination and there are areas that are not. That pursuit of public health goals shouldn't be a red or blue issue right? It's interesting that so many conservatives view pandemic mitigation through a political filter rather than filters more focused on science, altruism or patriotism.
Your comment "It's interesting that so many conservatives view pandemic mitigation through a political filter rather than filters more focused on science, altruism or patriotism. " Is so completely silly to me it is not even funny. Ever major news outlet in the US has made it a red and blue issue, otherwise every time some conservative dies from COVID, they would not make that label the first part of the news article, they would not run articles about why conservatives don't want to get the vaccine. They would not run polls about how many republicans vs democrats have gotten the vaccine. The whole entire thing revolves around a red or blue issue on both sides, and as since it started. I DO find that sad but it is on both sides. I often hear comments or people talking about others not getting the vaccine, and they always mention they are republican. I have even heard someone say it is always the Republicans that won't get the vaccine and others shake their head in agreement. You must live under a rock if you think the other side doesn't see this as a red and blue filter as well EVERYONE from nurses, doctors, regular people on the street seems to think only republicans don't want to get the shot, which is stupid and incorrect in and of it self, but your comment is just wow... are you for real?
7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
You quoted that one paragraph 3 times. It definitely struck a chord with you. It's nice that you worry about a retired old nurse in Alaska. I worry about nursing professionals who think that it might be OK to choose not to vaccinate against this virus at this point in time.
Well I am glad.... We should all worry about them :)
The demographic data of those who are unvaccinated shows that republicans are more likely than democrats and conservatives more often than liberals to remain unvaccinated. Why do you suppose that is true? Why have conservatives decided that covid mitigation or vaccination choices are political issues?
Why have democrats decided that as well? Remember when top democrats thought said they would not take a vaccine from Trump. I have direct comments if you need them taken from articles at the time. Even Fucci talked at the end of August 2020 how rushing a vaccine would not be good practice, yet two months later the vaccine came out. I believe the first nurse got her shot on December 20, 2020. This was after Biden had won the white house. Now suddenly the vaccine is safe to take? When it wasn't going to be safe according to many people when Trump was talking about it getting released soon ( I believe that was August 2020 when he said we hope to have a vaccine real soon.) And Fucci spoke out against rushing the vaccine. But just not even two months later it was OK to take?
I think that is a hard one to clear up, at least to me it is.
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7 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
I have even heard someone say it is always the Republicans that won't get the vaccine and others shake their head in agreement.
You haven't heard that from me or from any of the members advocating for vaccination vaccination in these threads that I'm aware of. Most of the political focused dialog is initiated by those who identify as conservative and sympathize with the choice to not vaccinate. I certainly respond to those comments but politics doesn't really have anything to do with my stance on covid vaccination. The demographic data is available.
11 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
You must live under a rock if you think the other side doesn't see this as a red and blue filter as well EVERYONE from nurses, doctors, regular people on the street seems to think only republicans don't want to get the shot, which is stupid and incorrect in and of it self, but your comment is just wow... are you for real?
No, I live in a small cabin in the interior of Alaska. I read for my information. I dint spend any time on FB or Twitter to speak of. I don't have cable television or Internet access in my home. I have a number of digital subscriptions to both local and national publications. I read a great deal.
Hyperbole and exaggeration are terrible strategies for either discussion or debate. Who characterized all unvaccinated as republicans?
You haven't heard that from me or from any of the members advocating for vaccination vaccination in these threads that I'm aware of. Most of the political focused dialog is initiated by those who identify as conservative and sympathize with the choice to not vaccinate. I certainly respond to those comments but politics doesn't really have anything to do with my stance on covid vaccination. The demographic data is available.
No, I live in a small cabin in the interior of Alaska. I read for my information. I dint spend any time on FB or Twitter to speak of. I don't have cable television or Internet access in my home. I have a number of digital subscriptions to both local and national publications. I read a great deal.
Hyperbole and exaggeration are terrible strategies for either discussion or debate. Who characterized all unvaccinated as republicans?
You said it was conservatives that saw it as a blue and red issue. You said nothing about that just being nurses, so I was making that point. Most of the news media including CNN NBC ABC CBS etc make it seem like only republicans are against vaccination. I watched the news on those channels and if they were not trying to make it seem that way they would report on democrats that are vaccinated that die from COVID. They don't just the republicans.
4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
You haven't heard that from me or from any of the members advocating for vaccination vaccination in these threads that I'm aware of. Most of the political focused dialog is initiated by those who identify as conservative and sympathize with the choice to not vaccinate. I certainly respond to those comments but politics doesn't really have anything to do with my stance on covid vaccination. The demographic data is available.
No, I live in a small cabin in the interior of Alaska. I read for my information. I dint spend any time on FB or Twitter to speak of. I don't have cable television or Internet access in my home. I have a number of digital subscriptions to both local and national publications. I read a great deal.
Hyperbole and exaggeration are terrible strategies for either discussion or debate. Who characterized all unvaccinated as republicans?
And I have neither Twitter or FB either. I live my life for me not for the likes of people I don't know.
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6 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
Why have democrats decided thatas well? Remember when top democrats thought said they would not take a vaccine from Trump.
So Democrats are fighting against vaccination mandates and mitigation? Yeah...I wouldn't trust Trump about a vaccine either and that is what Kamala Harris said...that she didn't trust Trump. Smart people generally don't trust well known liars to give them good or dependable information...especially after they have already lied about the subject matter to you previously. Even if you did believe that Harris or other top Democrat's disrespected the vaccine or something...would that explain refusal to vaccinate among republicans?
You said it was conservatives that saw it as a blue and red issue. You said nothing about that just being nurses, so I was making that point. Most of the news media including CNN NBC ABC CBS etc make it seem like only republicans are against vaccination. I watched the news on those channels and if they were not trying to make it seem that way they would report on democrats that are vaccinated that die from COVID. They don't just the republicans.
And I have neither Twitter or FB either. I live my life for me not for the likes of people I don't know.
I read for my information as well but I also know the way this pandemic is being conveyed on the news. If you don't watch any news, you are better for it.
So Democrats are fighting against vaccination mandates and mitigation? Yeah...I wouldn't trust Trump about a vaccine either and that is what Kamala Harris said...that she didn't trust Trump. Smart people generally don't trust well known liars to give them good or dependable information...especially after they have already lied about the subject matter to you previously. Even if you did believe that Harris or other top Democrat's disrespected the vaccine or something...would that explain refusal to vaccinate among republicans?
Yes, because they said they would not taken it then. Fucci said it was not wise to rush a vaccine at the end of August now it is OK? Take the vaccine that came less than six weeks later. The CDC hurt themselves in my opinion by telling everyone that cloth mask would work and that they did not need to buy a N95, then coming out and admitting they said that so doctors and nurses would have enough mask. I get that, but that wasn't the way to do it.
Also the CDC and the WHO have slightly different information about COVID.
The WHO states that most people who get covid recovery and mild to moderate symptoms. So I can see someone reading that and saying well then why do I need a vaccine. The WHO also states you should not exercise wearing a mask.
People who lied previously you mean like the CDC that even admitted they lied? OK but trust them now that works. Guess that statement doesn't work for every one does it? Trump lies don't trust him (I get that) the CDC lies and admitted they lied but oh trust them
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3 minutes ago, RKM2021 said:
You said it was conservatives that saw it as a blue and red issue. You said nothing about that just being nurses, so I was making that point. Most of the news media including CNN NBC ABC CBS etc make it seem like only republicans are against vaccination. I watched the news on those channels and if they were not trying to make it seem that way they would report on democrats that are vaccinated that die from COVID. They don't just the republicans.
And I have neither Twitter or FB either. I live my life for me not for the likes of people I don't know.
I'm referencing our discussions here. I'm referencing the political leadership of the nation and the states. I'm referencing the demographics and data which reflect who is refusing to vaccinate. The data doesn't lie. No credible source is saying only republicans are refusing. Republicans are more likely than Democrats to remain unvaccinated...that's just the numbers.
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And who said that did??? God you must be dense. I don't understand you am talking about they way nurses talk about their patients. What do you do...
Well its not becoming of nurses that spread misinformation about vaccines.
OF COURSE it is not becoming. Did I say that it was???????
I worry about you sometimes toomuchbaloney