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Hi all- I need some advice.
I recently got a job at a hospital that I wanted to work at VERY MUCH, and got placed on the step-down unit I requested. I was assigned to a preceptor who did a good job teaching, and things were going well. I was told that I was doing a good job and I felt comfortable with my progression.
I was moved around between several different preceptors over the next 4 weeks due to staffing issues. On the last day I worked there, I was assigned to a preceptor I had not worked with before. She was telling me what to do every 30 seconds, and telling me to drop what I was doing to do something else before I had any time to finish it (and this is not because I'm new and slow, nobody would have had time to do it :)). This went on all day, and was quite distressing.
I made several attempts to fix it, very politely letting her know that her constant direction was making it difficult for me to organize my work- and I promise this was not just an issue of her trying to teach me priorities or being extra vigilant with a new person.
8 hours later, I was not so chipper. I was frustrated and I'm sure that frustration was showing some in my behavior- never in front of a patient of course, but I don't think I was being perfectly sunny with her. I had a very difficult time getting things done in a timely manner ALL DAY because of the constant interruptions.
Long story short, I was called into a meeting with supervisors and told I was doing a bad job by my manager- He said I would still be an employee but would be moved to another floor. I was devastated, and pointed out that I had received good feedback until now- He told me I must have not been listening. Seriously.
I understand that if you burn bridges in an area, whether it's your fault or not, it might be wise to cut your losses and move to another unit. And, maybe I wasn't meant to be in that area anyways. So, I am trying to forgive, forget, move on, and make a new start. That's all going good. Well, good-ish.
So. I had to make an appointment with a higher-up, who had not met me and who had a list of "issues" printed up from my unit. This list included a few things I could work on, but mostly was out-of-context ridiculousness. She had not actually spoken to anyone from my unit, she had just received this memo, and from it she seemed to have come to the conclusion that I was a very serious problem and maybe should be discharged. Wow.
We talked, I was positive, admitted to having some failings in my communication skills that day (we all do sometimes of course), and detailed some ways I could work on that. I felt like I couldn't defend myself- anything I argued would be further proof to her that I was a poor team player who wouldn't accept responsibility.
So. Then there was another meeting with someone who was supposed to be an advocate for me, and that went well, and he really did support me, but we all still were in agreement that I should move to another unit. However, I need to write a detention-type essay about everything I did wrong, how it negatively impacted my unit's teamwork, and all the things I would do to improve myself if I were to be kept on. I also am required to write apologies to all my preceptors for my bad behavior to "tie up loose ends and bring closure to relationships".
I do not owe apologies to my preceptors. Two of them were totally uninvolved, and I had apologized to that ill-behaved preceptor on the day in question several times, and tried to fix the working situation. Anything to make it better. I don't think the DON understands the situation fully, but I don't feel like I am in a position to argue.
I was EXTREMELY careful and tactful when explaining that I felt, while I would love to work on some of my own problems with a new preceptor, I felt like maybe the situation had been blown out of proportion. I delicately pointed out that although the preceptor had the impression that I was a bad, obnoxious person, I was not actually so. I admitted that it is definitely possible I gave her the wrong impression of me, and that I would examine myself and work on my communication style. My advocate agreed that it was most likely exaggerated and that the preceptor had got me wrong, but that doesn't change what I have to do.
So, here's the question, finally- I understand that sometimes unfair things happen and you have to suck it up, and maybe later I will find that it's all for the best. BUT, I don't want this to go on my record as a huge blemish, nor do I want any new manager/ preceptor I have to think I am a bad egg. I was doing okay with the forgiveness and moving on until I was required to detail all my failings in these notes. I am being asked to admit to being a bad team player, which I have NOT proven to be (this was not a large enough inquiry to ask people for GOOD things about me, apparently). If I don't take responsibility, I won't be doing what they ask, and if I do I'll be bad-mouthing myself on paper and in effect agreeing with their view of things. Even though many nurses had good things to say about me, my supervisor is only focusing on the bad, and making it sound like it was a pattern of terrible behavior, and not just the last day.
I don't know what to do. I do NOT want to go to another hospital, I am HAPPY at this one. I already have agreed to go to a different unit (if they decide to keep me, which I guess is all but certain), but I just don't know how to go about fullfilling their requirements without admitting to problems that I don't have- they want some serious details! I am going to write the stuff, I need to keep my job, and I want to work for this company- but how do I do it without damaging myself, and how do I forgive and move on?
Thanks!
-Rose
a couple of things hit me about your post.
i did a lot of orientation of new employees and new grads. we had weekly written evaluations so each person knew exactly where their strong and weak points were. weak points were openly discussed and worked on with the preceptors and the orientees. this can be a painful thing for some people, especially if preceptors and managers are not afraid to discuss behaviors and attitudes. no one likes to hear that they are perceived as having negative behaviors and it is a blow to our egos. part of the preceptor's job is to help the orientee improve these areas of weakness, not just beat on the person until they are crumpled on the floor, helpless and contrite. ask for assistance in how to improve yourself. if they can't provide it, then they are not truly interested in helping you. by the same token, and i mean this in all sincerity, if you aren't willing to open to change, then no matter how much help is being offered and how much you want to work for this company, you won't and your career here is probably headed toward the door. it seems to me that the reason you weren't dismissed already is because these managers are either very inexperienced or they have a company wide policy to attempt to save all new orientees because of the high cost of training new employees. the fact that you said they have staffing issues is a red flag that there are problems there. when i became a manager i had already learned that behavior, if not dealt with in a sensitive way, causes unlimited problems.
Well, I jumped through the hoops. I did. I wrote about some things that I think I could work on, and also mentioned some things I was good at. I am under the impression that the DON thinks I have exhibited a pattern of ridiculous behavior, and does not realize that it was actually one day's worth of things, which were very much influenced by other people/ circumstances.I did write an apology letter to the manager of the department, which I am only partially sure was appropriate. I mostly focused on how much I enjoyed working for the department.
I am so angry.
My only hope is that this place is NOT the big, nameless, faceless hospital (although it is a big place), and they really market themselves as a place where they will work with a nurse through orientation. Hopefully that means they will stand by their word to transfer us to another unit if there is not a "good fit".
There isn't a union, obviously, athough I wonder what good that would have done me as a new employee?
The nurse in charge of all of orientation is amazing, I trust her, but I also know that the nursing shortage is a myth in our part of the state- they don't need me.
I am still supposed to be in next week for some general orientation stuff, but I am very concerned. I can only hope that our conversations so far mean that I am still considered a valued employee.
Damn it. I am so upset my cheeks and fingers are numb.
I am not letting this make me hate the hospital- this is a wonderful place, and I am proud to work there.
Either way, if I get transferred to another floor or if I get let go, this experience will remain as one of the most painful things that has ever happened to me, and it has really smushing what little hope I had left about enjoying nursing. Why is it like this?
Rosie you received so much solid advice from experienced nurses who have been there and done that, but you feel like degrading yourself for one hospital is worth your license and self-esteem. I really feel you just shot yourself in the foot by writing that letter, but your mistake is your own to make. You will see in time and experience that there is a lot more to a hospital than how it is marketed and that management will almost always take up for their hospital before they will take up for you. There are a lot of politics involved in running a hospital. I wish you the best of luck but I must unsubscribe because I cannot support someone who intentionally hangs themself out to dry and then asks why it happens. You have already received your answers. Take care.
Well, I jumped through the hoops. I did. I wrote about some things that I think I could work on, and also mentioned some things I was good at. I am under the impression that the DON thinks I have exhibited a pattern of ridiculous behavior, and does not realize that it was actually one day's worth of things, which were very much influenced by other people/ circumstances.I did write an apology letter to the manager of the department, which I am only partially sure was appropriate. I mostly focused on how much I enjoyed working for the department.
I am so angry.
My only hope is that this place is NOT the big, nameless, faceless hospital (although it is a big place), and they really market themselves as a place where they will work with a nurse through orientation. Hopefully that means they will stand by their word to transfer us to another unit if there is not a "good fit".
There isn't a union, obviously, athough I wonder what good that would have done me as a new employee?
The nurse in charge of all of orientation is amazing, I trust her, but I also know that the nursing shortage is a myth in our part of the state- they don't need me.
I am still supposed to be in next week for some general orientation stuff, but I am very concerned. I can only hope that our conversations so far mean that I am still considered a valued employee.
Damn it. I am so upset my cheeks and fingers are numb.
I am not letting this make me hate the hospital- this is a wonderful place, and I am proud to work there.
Either way, if I get transferred to another floor or if I get let go, this experience will remain as one of the most painful things that has ever happened to me, and it has really smushing what little hope I had left about enjoying nursing. Why is it like this?
Well, I hope you realize that you got some solid advice from experienced nurses here. It seems like you totally disregarded what we had to say. If that is going to be the case next time you need advice I will not respond. We are here to help you. You wanted advice and we gave it.
You shouldn't have wrote that letter as you really had nothing to apologize for. I feel like your time is going to be very limited at that hospital. I'm sure there are other hospitals in your area that are hiring new grads. You should take our advice and resign. I just don't see that you working at that hospital for too long before they find something else is wrong with you. Just because it's a big-major-famous hospital does not mean it is the best place to work. I've been there, done that.
But I'm with October. Best of luck.
Wow, harsh, guys.
I'm a new grad. I live in a place where there are more new grads than there are positions, and you are not by any means guaranteed a job. I'm not averse to working on issues that I might have, of course that's part of orientation, and I'm willing to discuss them- it's just that, although the talk is of moving to a different unit, and that IS what they say they try to do when things don't work out early in orientation, I AM AFRAID of what it will mean to have that information on my record.
I would not be able to easily find a new job if I left. I did come to this forum for advice, and everyone did say to quit... however, wouldn't it also be difficult to get another job after quitting or getting fired mid orientation? It seems, from what I see on this forum, that situations like mine are common occurences in nursing, but I still can't imagine having to explain this to another hospital. Would getting let go look so much worse than quitting?
Lastly- I expect this hospital to stick by me through the orientation process, and I hope they will stand by what they say about moving us if there is not a good fit- they said many times in the beginning that they understand that sometimes a preceptor or a unit is just not a good fit, and that's okay, and they will move you.
If I expect them to stick by me, then I think I should give them the chance to follow through with that. I don't want them to quit on me, so I don't think it's right to quit on them. It's not over yet, so we'll see. But, you're right, I'm new, I don't know how these things go, I'm just hoping for the best, knowing that I am a darn good nurse, even though I'm new and going through this foolishness.
my goodness rosie, no one was harsh.
yet what you've opted to do, despite the advice from sev'l experienced nurses, is to shoot yourself in the foot.
this is sabotage, pure and simple.
they've told you to put a bunch of lies in writing, and if you don't comply, you are out of a job.
in essence, you lowered yourself to their level, rather than defend your name and character.
no job is worth such loss of self-respect.
it's really unfortunate you just don't see this.
truly, good luck to you.
leslie
Rosie, for your sake, I hope your optimism is rewarded.
But years of nursing experience have proven to many of us, time and time again, that we are bound to be disappointed if we expect others---especially an employer---to "stick by" us when things go sideways. A hospital is, above all, a BUSINESS, and as such is loyal only to its shareholders and its bottom line; it's up to us to look out for our own best interests. And yes, it IS harder to get a job after being fired than it is when you leave under your own terms---not impossible, just harder.
I'm sorry if some members sounded a little harsh. But the fact is, you came to us for advice, got some very good feedback, and promptly rejected it. That's OK, it's your choice, but you shouldn't be surprised when people react badly to your going out and doing exactly the opposite of what they suggested.
And that's all I have to say about THAT.
My guess is you will never make it through the orientation process with this hospital. Fairly or unfairly you are already pegged as a problem. They will let you go shortly and use the letters you wrote as ammo to do so. They will also view you as having no backbone because you were willing to admit to things in writing that you don't even feel you are guilty of. You will be the scapegoat from here on out.
You've done nothing good for yourself here. You don't think the hospital has given up on you but that ship has already passed. You were so worried about your permanent record well now it has letters in your file admitting fault and apology written by you. You would have been 100x better leaving of your own accord. You can still do just that. Be smart and start looking for another job now. You will find one that won't be out to use you and demean you. Find another job and just say this wasn't the right environment for you.
And this isn't meant to be harsh but honest. It's truly meant to help you so I hope you take it in that vein.
I don't understand your admitting to wrongs when you did nothing wrong. They bullied you into admitting to things that they decided you did- w/no proof, nothing to back up their lies. You think more of this hospital than they do of you & your loyalty to them is certainly more than they deserve. You are in a no-win situation- you just don't realize it yet. THEY are the ones who will be harsh when they decide you need to move on. You should NEVER EVER sacrifice yourself- be true to YOURSELF. I truly hope it all works out for you. Good luck.
wow, harsh, guys.i'm a new grad. i live in a place where there are more new grads than there are positions, and you are not by any means guaranteed a job. i'm not averse to working on issues that i might have, of course that's part of orientation, and i'm willing to discuss them- it's just that, although the talk is of moving to a different unit, and that is what they say they try to do when things don't work out early in orientation, i am afraid of what it will mean to have that information on my record.
i would not be able to easily find a new job if i left. i did come to this forum for advice, and everyone did say to quit... however, wouldn't it also be difficult to get another job after quitting or getting fired mid orientation? it seems, from what i see on this forum, that situations like mine are common occurences in nursing, but i still can't imagine having to explain this to another hospital. would getting let go look so much worse than quitting?
lastly- i expect this hospital to stick by me through the orientation process, and i hope they will stand by what they say about moving us if there is not a good fit- they said many times in the beginning that they understand that sometimes a preceptor or a unit is just not a good fit, and that's okay, and they will move you.
if i expect them to stick by me, then i think i should give them the chance to follow through with that. i don't want them to quit on me, so i don't think it's right to quit on them. it's not over yet, so we'll see. but, you're right, i'm new, i don't know how these things go, i'm just hoping for the best, knowing that i am a darn good nurse, even though i'm new and going through this foolishness.
i just heard from you almost a duplicate of what i experienced myself 30 years ago so believe me i know very well what you are most likely experiencing and feeling. what happened to me was that i got mad enough to not comply with what i was being told to do because i felt i knew better than the managers and i quit and moved on. and, i not only lost one job that i wanted so badly, but several. it took that many before i finally wised up and realized that if i wanted to stay in this career and have any kind of peace with myself that i had to realize that i was the one that was wrong and these managers who kept confronting me about my attitude and behavior (it was never about by nursing performance) were right.
i'm not adverse to working on issues that i might have, of course that's part of orientation, and i'm willing to discuss them.
i am afraid of what it will mean to have that information on my record. i would not be able to easily find a new job if i left.
would getting let go look so much worse than quitting?
i know you aren't seeing all of this because you don't want to and because you have your own ideas about what is right and wrong. i'm truly sympathetic with your situation because as i said i went through something similar early in my career. unfortunately, i think the die has already cast by you, not them. good luck to you. if things get worse quit before they fire you because it will look better on your resume.
i just heard from you almost a duplicate of what i experienced myself 30 years ago so believe me i know very well what you are most likely experiencing and feeling. what happened to me was that i got mad enough to not comply with what i was being told to do because i felt i knew better than the managers and i quit and moved on. and, i not only lost one job that i wanted so badly, but several. it took that many before i finally wised up and realized that if i wanted to stay in this career and have any kind of peace with myself that i had to realize that i was the one that was wrong and these managers who kept confronting me about my attitude and behavior (it was never about by nursing performance) were right.i'm not adverse to working on issues that i might have, of course that's part of orientation, and i'm willing to discuss them.
you're willing to discuss them all right, but you have your own point of view about them and it conflicts with your bosses. at least that's what you are telling us. you can't do that and expect to survive at a job. when you are an employee and a boss says, "jump!" you pretty much have to say, "how high?" and do it.i am afraid of what it will mean to have that information on my record. i would not be able to easily find a new job if i left.
what goes into employee files is confidential. the only people who have access to them are the people in human resources and management. once you quit a job and leave the information in your employee file stays there. when you apply for other jobs most facilities have a policy that they only release former workers dates of employment and their job position and that's it. the reason is because they don't want the employee to come back and sue them for releasingsubjectiveinformation about their work performance that resulted in them loosing job offers later. you can also give the human resources department a letter upon your termination instructing them that no information other than your dates of employment and job position are ever to be released by them without your specific written authorization. keep copies of the letter. i would also make a similar statement in the letter of resignation that i gave to my manager so it is very clear to everyone that they better not even think of badmouthing me. but also be aware that at subsequent job interviews the last thing you don't even want to bring up is that you had problems at the last place you worked because that will close the door to even getting hired--no one wants to hire someone that comes with problems.would getting let go look so much worse than quitting?
let me address that from a manager's prospective. yes, it looks bad. there's no way to hide a forced termination from another employer when you apply for other jobs. all managers know what it takes to fire someone--disciplinary procedures. if someone has been fired it means they did something very, very bad or they were involved in the disciplinary process for wrongdoing of some kind and weren't able to correct it. not only were they unable to correct it, but they weren't intelligent enough to see the handwriting on the wall that they were failing and instead of quitting they just waited to get fired! not very smart and not someone most managers want working for them.i know you aren't seeing all of this because you don't want to and because you have your own ideas about what is right and wrong. i'm truly sympathetic with your situation because as i said i went through something similar early in my career. unfortunately, i think the die has already cast by you, not them. good luck to you. if things get worse quit before they fire you because it will look better on your resume.
day, not all managers have your moral/ethical standards....yes persons are fired for no particular reason, and yes they are bad mouthed to prospective employers.....that letter in your file isnt even going to come up at a private function when one manager asks another "you know so and so "? should i hire her?......
canoehead, BSN, RN
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Bad vibes on this hospital. I hope you transfer and get a whole new group with a whole new perspective, but what's rotten in one place is often rotten elsewhere. If the second unit doesn't work out write your resignation letter, and work elsewhere. Anyplace, home health, nursing home, whatever, so you get some time where you aren't pulling knives out of your back while you learn.