Trump's 'religious conscience'

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Has anyone heard of this? Its saying that basically ANY healthcare worker has the right as of July 22nd to refuse care to a patient due to the healthcare worker's moral beliefs or religion. I'm so confused. First of all we as healthcare workers are here to help EVERYONE. Most people think it will effect LGBTQ or women, which I can definitely see happening. I mean rapists are against my morals so does that mean I can refuse treatment? I've been looking this up trying to find some clarification.

On the NPR website it states "Last month, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services put out a new rule that "implements full and robust enforcement" of existing laws that protect what the administration calls "conscience rights" for health care workers. The rule is set to go into effect on July 22."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/06/11/730659035/-patients-will-die-one-county-s-challenge-to-trump-s-conscience-rights-rule

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/28/politics/legal-challenge-hhs-conscience-objection-rule/index.html

I added two links of articles I have found on it, still confused though. Any thoughts or facts you guys have?

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Finally I can refuse to care for Russians, haha, those guys are all against my moral beliefs!

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On 6/16/2019 at 3:16 PM, Davey Do said:

To use Tommy Smothers' concept to answer your question, NurseBlaq, it's because politicians wear more clothes and medical professionals wear less.

That makes medical professionals "Less-ons" and politicians "More-ons!

I love it! ?

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On 6/16/2019 at 3:43 PM, DancRN said:

1- I believe that religious conflicts should be left at the door. Having said that, that are people who purposely want to create situations that are unnecessary for both parties involved. I believe this bill would protect all religions, pleas read more into it.

2- if you think Trump does everything by himself and is responsible for everything, then you are mistaken. He represents the majority of counties across the U.S.

As far as this bill goes, there is a whole lot more to it. Maybe people should read it in it’s entirety before condemning one or the other.

Should I be concerned about this?

I hope you don't mean that a majority of counties across the U.S. are residency of Christian theocrats. I don't know whether I can sleep well if that is true.

Alabama already set criminal law against women seeking abortion. What's next?

When I immigrated to the States 16 years ago, I have never envisioned our country can stoop this low to pander Christian fundamentalists. What about the rest of us?

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On 6/13/2019 at 1:11 PM, Jedrnurse said:

I've been thinking of founding a religion. I'll include a big list of everything I don't want to do as well as a list of types of people I'd prefer not to deal with and then...Shazam! My life (and that of my co-religionists) will be near nirvana.

It used to be, and maybe still is, that a person could say that God ordained him or her and could legally call himself a pastor, priest, minister, or other religious title. And no one could dispute that.

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On 6/15/2019 at 3:17 PM, VivaLasViejas said:

I find it interesting that our president is so eager to insert religion into politics, because he is anything but a follower of Jesus.

That being said, I am against abortion but would never refuse care to a woman or girl who had one. I simply wouldn't work in a place where I had to deal with abortion. It's common sense.

We see the President's actions, we hear what he says (the part that the media don't edit out). But we don't really know what is in the man's heart. No one really knows what someone else believes deep inside. I know Scripture says we shall know true Christians by their behavior, but I don't think that tells the whole story.

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On 6/17/2019 at 5:40 AM, hherrn said:

So, how about a simple, nurse to nurse question here:

I my interpretation of Christianity tells me I should not care for a transgender patient, should I be able to refuse that care?

NO!!!! And if you can’t get over that you should find a new career and also a reading comprehension class and re-examine that bible because i’m fairly certain Jesus said to love your neighbors, including the beggars, the lepers, the lame, the thieves, etc. Also, i’m pretty sure there’s that whole don’t judge or you will be judged thing, if you don’t agree that’s on you, but let your god doing the judging.

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On 6/17/2019 at 5:40 AM, hherrn said:

So, how about a simple, nurse to nurse question here:

I my interpretation of Christianity tells me I should not care for a transgender patient, should I be able to refuse that care?

Of course you shouldn't be able to and only the most tragically awful nurses and/or Christians would think such a thing.

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On 6/17/2019 at 5:40 AM, hherrn said:

So, how about a simple, nurse to nurse question here:

I my interpretation of Christianity tells me I should not care for a transgender patient, should I be able to refuse that care?

In an extensive study of the New Testament which is the foundation of Christianity there is nothing that states this type of discrimination. There's a whole lot of discrimination sanctioned in the Old Testament but that was the Old Covenant between God (If you believe in him) and the people of Israel. When Jesus came along he formed through his life an death a New Covenant thus negating the old one. I don't believe that any true Christian would deny care to someone who is suffering and in need. A true Christian conscience would not permit this.

Hppy

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1 hour ago, CamMc said:

NO!!!! And if you can’t get over that you should find a new career and also a reading comprehension class and re-examine that bible because i’m fairly certain Jesus said to love your neighbors, including the beggars, the lepers, the lame, the thieves, etc. Also, i’m pretty sure there’s that whole don’t judge or you will be judged thing, if you don’t agree that’s on you, but let your god doing the judging.

Also @hherrn if your comment was more hypothetical and/or aimed at @dancrn I can tell you, as they went out of their way to send me a private message, that they believe transgender people are delusional, although they seem to be a bit mistaken and said that I am a male since I was born with a v. But they were probably so disgusted to be talking to me i’m sure that’s not actually a sign of their intelligence.

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What a slippery slope we are sliding down...

Are we looking at a future where nurses are hired by their willingness to provide care to anyone despite their race/gender/sexual/preference/diagnosis etcetera, etcetera, etcetera??

Applicant: I can only care for patients under 40 who have BMI's less than 26, are heterosexual, non-smoking, Christians.

Hiring agent: You're hired!

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On 6/14/2019 at 7:09 PM, Jory said:

Trump's entire goal in this world, his reason for living and breathing, is to spread as much corruption, division, and hate as humanly possible.

The only person Trump cares about his himself.

With all due respect, Jory, the premise of your opinion is merely that: an opinion.

No one but the individual can truly relate their "reason for living and breathing".

To express "Trump's entire goal for this world" and "The only person Trump cares about is himself" as a fact, and not as an opinion, is erroneous.

Opinion duly noted.

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I have been wondering what happened to separation of church and state? Doesn’t this apply here? Or was it meant for something else? Can anyone comment?

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