This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Beerman said:

He did, but the judge nixed it.

He likely then had another offer that they declined.

 

I don't think there was another plea deal offered.  When he initially went up against the charges he plead not guilty and chose to go to trial. A gamble he was doomed to lose.  A plead of guilty with remorse would have been more in his favor than a conviction by trial.   

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toomuchbaloney said:

You had better start petitioning the plastic surgeons about not altering or removing healthy body parts.  

You are arguing that your discomfort should be considered before another's individual rights for self expression and self care.  THAT goes beyond acceptance.  

He did.  He pled guilty and had a plea deal that blew up... remember?  

Not my discomfort but girls and women's discomfort. No. The right to a trans person to need to affirm themselfs while making girls feel uncomfortable or not safe is not their right. Or to win scholarships and awards to the cost of girls and women for their self assurance is not their right.  The right is to the girls. The dispespect is to the girls. 

Any adult wanting to modify or cut off healthy body parts and any surgeon willing can do as they please. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

You say that all humans deserve respect but members of the conservative MAGA movement are intentionally and routinely disrespectful and aggressive with members of the LGBTQ community.  They dead name and misgender people for sport.  They want references to anything about them removed from school libraries and made off limits for discussion in schools.    Conservatives want their LGBTQ neighbors to be quiet and unobtrusive and not too flamboyant. 

That's a load. Disrespect and aggressive? 

No. They want inappropriate material including oral and anal sex descriptions removed from school libraries. And why do such things need to be discussed in school? Aside from basic sex education?  Teach about sex not how to perform sex acts. 

Neighbors? I'd prefer my straight neighbor to not walk around in his revealing speedo and openly groap his wife in the neighborhood. While waving the US flag. Seems reasonable?  

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Crusades said:

Not my discomfort but girls and women's discomfort. No. The right to a trans person to need to affirm themselfs while making girls feel uncomfortable or not safe is not their right. Or to win scholarships and awards to the cost of girls and women for their self assurance is not their right.  The right is to the girls. The dispespect is to the girls. 

Any adult wanting to modify or cut off healthy body parts and any surgeon willing can do as they please. 

What is your view on breast enhancement and rhinoplasty in minors? 

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nursej22 said:

What is your view on breast enhancement and rhinoplasty in minors? 

 

nursej22 said:

What is your view on breast enhancement and rhinoplasty in minors? 

I take no issue with Rhinoplasty to correct structural deformity or injury. 

Surely you are not comparing mastectomy,  penis removal and creating of a fake penis via skin graphs surgery with Rhinoplasty? 

Breat augmentation in minors especially when they have not reached full sexual maturity is inappropriate. 

Neither is to change a biological process or fuction. 

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Crusades said:

 

I take no issue with Rhinoplasty to correct structural deformity or injury. 

Surely you are not comparing mastectomy,  penis removal and creating of a fake penis via skin graphs surgery with Rhinoplasty? 

Breat augmentation in minors especially when they have not reached full sexual maturity is inappropriate. 

Neither is to change a biological process or fuction. 

Dude, you've regurgitated every debunked right wingnut argument for eradicating transsexual people that's been proposed over the last thirty years. Not going to relitigate that nonsense.

Just a few questions for you.

1. Just how are those so-fragile girls finding out the physical gender of anyone else in the ladies' room? Are they examining strangers' genitalia under the bathroom door? Seems like those kids have more serious problems than the gender identity of total strangers.

2. For that matter, why is a straight child's  trauma more serious than a gay, trans or non-binary child's?

3. How many assaults by transsexual people on a minor child have there been? Compare it to, say, assaults by straight men: relatives, strangers, family friends and, especially, priests and ministers?

4. Who is doing gender reassignment surgery on minors?

This whole "protect the children" schtick is yet another solution in search of a problem. Do better.

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heron said:

Dude, you've regurgitated every debunked right wingnut argument for eradicating transsexual people that's been proposed over the last thirty years. Not going to relitigate that nonsense.

Just a few questions for you.

1. Just how are those so-fragile girls finding out the physical gender of anyone else in the ladies' room? Are they examining strangers' genitalia under the bathroom door? Seems like those kids have more serious problems than the gender identity of total strangers.

2. For that matter, why is a straight child's  trauma more serious than a gay, trans or non-binary child's?

3. How many assaults by transsexual people on a minor child have there been? Compare it to, say, assaults by straight men: relatives, strangers, family friends and, especially, priests and ministers?

4. Who is doing gender reassignment surgery on minors?

This whole "protect the children" schtick is yet another solution in search of a problem. Do better.

How do ypu know I'm a "dude"? 

That's interesting. I never said anything about "irradicating trans people" at all. Nor have I heard of any "irradication of trans people" by "right wing" . 

In locker rooms it is common for girls women to be unclothed. Outside of the stall where the toilet is. You know there's been cases of intact trans women with their gentilals out. 

Trans women were men up until they said they were not. It is common knowledge women are raped by men. Just because one day you say you are a women doesn't mean you shed all men's traits. Hence the reason for seperated changing areas in the first place. So how many women are raped by men is the actual question?  

Hopefully no one is doing gender reassignment surgeries on minors but there seems to be an emotional objection for creating laws making it illegal isn't there? So ask why does it make you so mad that states create laws to make it illegal for minors? Who cares if it never happens right? Puberty blocker generally are given to minors because adults have already gone through puberty.  

I image these evil conservative laws making it illegal for gender surgery/ chemicals  are indeed trying to protect children. Even trans children. 

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Crusades said:

Not my discomfort but girls and women's discomfort. No. The right to a trans person to need to affirm themselfs while making girls feel uncomfortable or not safe is not their right. Or to win scholarships and awards to the cost of girls and women for their self assurance is not their right.  The right is to the girls. The dispespect is to the girls. 

Any adult wanting to modify or cut off healthy body parts and any surgeon willing can do as they please. 

Can you give me an example of a trans athlete taking a sports scholarship from a player that wasn't trans?  Only 40 athletes who identify as transgendered have participated in NCAA events...<50/500,000 student athletes.  The concern seems really out of proportion.  

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Can you give me an example of a trans athlete taking a sports scholarship from a player that wasn't trans?  Only 40 athletes who identify as transgendered have participated in NCAA events...<50/500,000 student athletes.  The concern seems really out of proportion.  

 

Can you tell me how many at the college and university level? NCAA isn't the only sporting association. 

 

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Crusades said:

That's a load. Disrespect and aggressive? 

No. They want inappropriate material including oral and anal sex descriptions removed from school libraries. And why do such things need to be discussed in school? Aside from basic sex education?  Teach about sex not how to perform sex acts. 

Neighbors? I'd prefer my straight neighbor to not walk around in his revealing speedo and openly groap his wife in the neighborhood. While waving the US flag. Seems reasonable?  

Baloney.  The conservative groups banning books are targeting those with LGBTQ and ethnic content.  They are removing books which help students feel connected.  Double digit numbers of HS students are rape victims. If parents want to advise the school that their student shouldn't be allowed to check out certain books they have that right.  

Holy heck.  I'm talking about not prohibiting classroom discussions about gay marriage or other social issues or current events.  Nobody is talking about anal sex or oral sex in classrooms.  I think it's really weird that you even think that's a thing.  

Fortunately, your neighbor has freedom to do as he pleases unless he breaks a law.  As you likely are aware, I was using the term neighbor in a broader way.  

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Philadelphia Inquirer 6/11/24

8 with suspected ISIS ties arrested in Philly, New York and Los Angeles

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All of those arrested initially hailed from Tajikistan and crossed into the United States via the southern border within the last year, according to a law enforcement source familiar with the matter...

...For months, counterterrorism officials have raised increasing alarm about the rise of a Central Asian-based ISIS offshoot and the United States' potential vulnerability to terrorists sneaking across the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

Tweety said:

I don't think there was another plea deal offered.  When he initially went up against the charges he plead not guilty and chose to go to trial. A gamble he was doomed to lose.  A plead of guilty with remorse would have been more in his favor than a conviction by trial.   

If your father can pardon you, it may be a risk worth taking.

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