This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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heron said:

4. Who is doing gender reassignment surgery on minors?

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The ultimate step in gender-affirming medical treatment is surgery, which is uncommon in patients under age 18. Some children's hospitals and gender clinics don't offer surgery to minors, requiring that they be adults before deciding on procedures that are irreversible and carry a heightened risk of complications.

The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. Among teens, "top surgery" to remove breasts is more common. In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo's data analysis of insurance claims. This tally does not include procedures that were paid for out of pocket.

I will pretty much stay out of the conversation but to answer your question.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

 "As the number of transgender children has grown, so has their access to gender-affirming care, much of it provided at scores of clinics at major hospitals."  So I guess major clinics and hospitals is your answer.

I think the number of FTM surgeries was 282 in 2022 and 56 genital surgeries from 2019 to 2021.  This doesn't include self-pay.  

Concern for these children undergoing "the chemical and physical mutilation of children" is so great that laws have been passed to stop gender affirming care.  

However, just yesterday (June 11, 2024) it seems here in Florida a judge struck down on parts of the ban on gender affirming care law.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/11/florida-ban-gender-affirming-care-00162721#:~:text=TALLAHASSEE%2C Fla.,the interest of public health.

toomuchbaloney said:

Can you give me an example of a trans athlete taking a sports scholarship from a player that wasn't trans?  Only 40 athletes who identify as transgendered have participated in NCAA events...<50/500,000 student athletes.  The concern seems really out of proportion.  

 

Including a few who have gone from average male athlete to national or state champion record setting female athlete.

It is a very small number, at present.  That doesn't mean it's right and that we should just let it happen.  

An interesting fun fact that goes to the physical differences in athletics between males and females:

My best time in the 100m dash in 1987, a event I only ran in JV races, would have made me a state champion at the Colorado girls state meet this year.

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Crusades said:

Can you tell me how many at the college and university level? NCAA isn't the only sporting association. 

 

I don't need to do that, you do.  Your concern is overblown by media, in my view.  

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Crusades said:

How do ypu know I'm a "dude"? 

That's interesting. I never said anything about "irradicating trans people" at all. Nor have I heard of any "irradication of trans people" by "right wing" . 

In locker rooms it is common for girls women to be unclothed. Outside of the stall where the toilet is. You know there's been cases of intact trans women with their gentilals out. 

Trans women were men up until they said they were not. It is common knowledge women are raped by men. Just because one day you say you are a women doesn't mean you shed all men's traits. Hence the reason for seperated changing areas in the first place. So how many women are raped by men is the actual question?  

Hopefully no one is doing gender reassignment surgeries on minors but there seems to be an emotional objection for creating laws making it illegal isn't there? So ask why does it make you so mad that states create laws to make it illegal for minors? Who cares if it never happens right? Puberty blocker generally are given to minors because adults have already gone through puberty.  

I image these evil conservative laws making it illegal for gender surgery/ chemicals  are indeed trying to protect children. Even trans children. 

More right wing angst blown out of proportion.  If only y'all were concerned about actual threats to children... like guns.  

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Beerman said:

If your father can pardon you, it may be a risk worth taking.

Maybe his dad promised him a pardon in private and that's why he decided to go this way.  That's a good thing to speculate, it's entirely possible, right?

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Beerman said:

Including a few who have gone from average male athlete to national or state champion record setting female athlete.

It is a very small number, at present.  That doesn't mean it's right and that we should just let it happen.  

An interesting fun fact that goes to the physical differences in athletics between males and females:

My best time in the 100m dash in 1987, a event I only ran in JV races, would have made me a state champion at the Colorado girls state meet this year.

That's interesting.  Do the Colorado schools allow transgender males who haven't received hormone blockers participate in female sports?  How many untreated males are passing as females to win regional or state titles in Colorado or elsewhere? Do you know how many nationally?  I'm guessing that there must be quite a few examples for people to be so concerned about it.  

The concern should really match the level of threat or problem.  

 

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Meanwhile, a story about an actual threat to children: 

https://wapo.st/3KCVHYa

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A Washington Post investigation has found that over the past two decades, hundreds of law enforcement officers in the United States have sexually abused children while officials at every level of the criminal justice system have failed to protect kids, punish abusers and prevent additional crimes.

Police and sheriff's departments have enabled predators by botching background checks, ignoring red flags and mishandling investigations. Accused cops have used their knowledge of the legal system to stall cases, get charges lowered or evade convictions. Prosecutors have given generous plea deals to officers who admitted to raping and groping minors. Judges have allowed many convicted officers to avoid prison time.

All the while, children in every state and the District of Columbia have continued to be targeted, groomed and violated by officers sworn to keep them safe.

 

toomuchbaloney said:

That's interesting.  Do the Colorado schools allow transgender males who haven't received hormone blockers participate in female sports?  How many untreated males are passing as females to win regional or state titles in Colorado or elsewhere? Do you know how many nationally?  I'm guessing that there must be quite a few examples for people to be so concerned about it.  

The concern should really match the level of threat or problem.  

 

I don't know the answers to your questions.  Thus far, the issue effects a relatively few.  It's a big deal to those few, and doesn't mean it isn't something to be concerned about.

Sorta like incest victims who have been prevented from getting abortions.

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Beerman said:

I don't know the answers to your questions.  Thus far, the issue effects a relatively few.  It's a big deal to those few, and doesn't mean it isn't something to be concerned about.

Sorta like incest victims who have been prevented from getting abortions.

It's a big deal to all of the transgendered students who are harassed by triggered conservatives.  That widespread agitated harassment and the subsequent legislative efforts (hundreds of bills) to limit where and what transgendered can do hurts the transgendered population.  The dead naming and intentional disrespect is cruel bullying, often from people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ.  

You'll have to clarify what your comparison to rape victims is trying to accomplish because outraged "conservatives" don't want anyone to have abortions in quite a number of states already, incest or not.  Your example seems to be another instance of another person's personal business private matters offending the feelings of some conservatives. 

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Beerman said:

I don't know the answers to your questions.  Thus far, the issue effects a relatively few.  It's a big deal to those few, and doesn't mean it isn't something to be concerned about.

Sorta like incest victims who have been prevented from getting abortions.

Great point! Yes we need to allow abortions for the 0.08 % (not actial figure) of abortion done because if incest and rape. 

Demorats are notorious for double standards and hypocrisy.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

It's a big deal to all of the transgendered students who are harassed by triggered conservatives.  That widespread agitated harassment and the subsequent legislative efforts (hundreds of bills) to limit where and what transgendered can do hurts the transgendered population.  The dead naming and intentional disrespect is cruel bullying, often from people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ.  

You'll have to clarify what your comparison to rape victims is trying to accomplish because outraged "conservatives" don't want anyone to have abortions in quite a number of states already, incest or not.  Your example seems to be another instance of another person's personal business private matters offending the feelings of some conservatives. 

No one should be harassed or "triggered" especially trans as they are at a emotional disadvantage.

How about offending some democrats feelings  because most people do not agree with administering potent chemicals and removing healthy body parts in minors? Why should children be allowed to have surgeries with risk of major complications and or permanent changes just to spare some democrat emotions and feelings? 

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A man in a dress took the Miss Maryland USA title from a real woman.

https://watermarkonline.com/2024/06/10/miss-maryland-usa-a-trans-woman-makes-history/

Not to mention a woman glorifying obesity won Miss Alabama (on the Miss America side, not Miss USA) What's the world coming to?

 https://www.al.com/life/2024/06/plus-size-alabama-pageant-winner-stays-positive-despite-backlash-your-body-does-not-define-you.html

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