The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
010621 was an attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power so that Trump's fake electors could be forwarded. They needed Pence to respond to the chaos by refusing to certify the results.
The fact that some of the mob didn't commit acts of violence or destruction of property doesn't define the purpose of the gathering, does it? The purpose of the assembly was to stop the steal. That's how it was advertised and that's what the fiery speeches told them, to fight like hell to save their country, right?
I think many in attendance might have just shown solidarity with Trump and were protesting to the government to do something. This is what a lot of protests are about, just showing up and demanding the government do something, and their demands are done peacefully.
It's disturbing that so many people were convinced that Trump won the election and the democracy was at stake. I agree that many of them interviewed on that day blatantly used violent rhetoric about "taking our country back by force if we have to" and didn't say how when or why.
It's interesting to take a retrospect of it and what sugar coating republicans don't need to do is lead with the idea "it was a mostly peaceful protest (and wasn't as bad as BLM)". It was a violent protest and destruction of property occurred and people died. Own it, talk about and don't let it happen again.
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Stop the Steal: a series of rallies in solidarity with Trump and his claims of a stolen election, snowballing until the last of them crashed through the doors of the Capitol in a blur of bear spray and body armor.
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Jan. 6 marked the explosive end of the self-described Stop the Steal movement — but it also marked a sort of rebirth. It had showed direct action of even the most extraordinary scale to be, for now, a dead end. Many of the participants in the protests and the Capitol riot returned home and redoubled their efforts to work inside the system rather than just hurling themselves against it.
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Beerman said:
Didn't you say you had family members there? Was stopping the "peaceful transfer of power" their purpose in attending?
Yes. They believed the lies and thought that the rally was to protest and stop the stealing of Trump's rightful second term. They said they didn't march to the Capitol building and they said they didn't enter that building and they haven't been arrested. They traveled from Michigan to DC in January 2020 because they believed that they were taking some kind of a patriotic stand against some terrible travesty. They were indoctrinated into a belief that had zero evidence. They are cult members who weren't angry enough to join in the attack, just angry enough to spend their money on a lie. There were thousands of people in DC that day, deeply misled by Trump's repeated lies. The best man from my wedding was there too. He said he was there because Biden cheated Trump out of his rightful second term and they needed to make sure the country knows about that cheating or some similar nonsense.
What do you think the purpose of the gathering was? Why did Trump invite people there for the certification of the EC vote.
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I think many in attendance might have just shown solidarity with Trump and were protesting to the government to do something. This is what a lot of protests are about, just showing up and demanding the government do something, and their demands are done peacefully.
It's disturbing that so many people were convinced that Trump won the election and the democracy was at stake. I agree that many of them interviewed on that day blatantly used violent rhetoric about "taking our country back by force if we have to" and didn't say how when or why.
It's interesting to take a retrospect of it and what sugar coating republicans don't need to do is lead with the idea "it was a mostly peaceful protest (and wasn't as bad as BLM)". It was a violent protest and destruction of property occurred and people died. Own it, talk about and don't let it happen again.
Most of the mob were simply ignorant and manipulated rubes. They were conned and they played along because they were fully indoctrinated to believe lies about the election. That chaos and violence was supposed to create the excuse for Pence to refuse the EC vote and set the stage for the fake electors. That's why Trump waited so long to protect the rule of law that day. He was waiting for Pence to buckle to the threats and the pressure and give Trump what he wanted.
The important question is what was the intention of Trump when he invited thousands to DC on the day the EC count was occurring. Why did Trump invite them there? Was it too celebrate his loss? Of course most of the people in attendance had no idea what was going to happen and had not planned to break into the Capitol. Trump uses people and he was using them.
The attempt to undermine our constitution and rule of law is an ongoing effort by Trump and his cult. Minimizing the events surrounding 010621 is just part of that ongoing effort by cult members.
Yes. They believed the lies and thought that the rally was to protest and stop the stealing of Trump's rightful second term. They said they didn't march to the Capitol building and they said they didn't enter that building and they haven't been arrested. They traveled from Michigan to DC in January 2020 because they believed that they were taking some kind of a patriotic stand against some terrible travesty. They were indoctrinated into a belief that had zero evidence. They are cult members who weren't angry enough to join in the attack, just angry enough to spend their money on a lie. There were thousands of people in DC that day, deeply misled by Trump's repeated lies. The best man from my wedding was there too. He said he was there because Biden cheated Trump out of his rightful second term and they needed to make sure the country knows about that cheating or some similar nonsense.
What do you think the purpose of the gathering was? Why did Trump invite people there for the certification of the EC vote.
The purpose wasn't to meet and then storm the Capitol. It seems the people you know who went are evidence of that.
You can't gas light us about the events of 010621, you can only make yourself appear delusional.
I'm in a cult hey? Either Trump is a genius cult leader able to get millions of followers or he's a incompetent stupid man. Can't be both but both discredit your cult claim.
Yes. They believed the lies and thought that the rally was to protest and stop the stealing of Trump's rightful second term. They said they didn't march to the Capitol building and they said they didn't enter that building and they haven't been arrested. They traveled from Michigan to DC in January 2020 because they believed that they were taking some kind of a patriotic stand against some terrible travesty. They were indoctrinated into a belief that had zero evidence. They are cult members who weren't angry enough to join in the attack, just angry enough to spend their money on a lie. There were thousands of people in DC that day, deeply misled by Trump's repeated lies. The best man from my wedding was there too. He said he was there because Biden cheated Trump out of his rightful second term and they needed to make sure the country knows about that cheating or some similar nonsense.
What do you think the purpose of the gathering was? Why did Trump invite people there for the certification of the EC vote.
It was obviously not planned. You think a bunch of red neck racist nazi Trump supporters would stagecan insurrection with put using their fire arms?
Yeah. The most terrible peacfully and patriotic insurrection iv3 ever seen.
More people were peacful than were not.
People can believe whatever they wish and say whatever they wish. Your repetitive rants suggest you think people should be charged with a crime for believing and saying what they want. Or that they are in a "cult" if they don't support a demented potato, your guy.
What was that about termination the constitution? Your remarks suggest that what you want when it comes to certain people's 1 st ammendment....
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Remember the Capital and all public government buildings were CLOSED to visitors due to Covid ravaging the country at the time. While some Trump supporters were in D.C. to protest his "stolen election" quite a few were part of paramilitary groups who PLANNED how to enter Capital, deliberately there to stop Pence and congress from certifying presidential vote count and who helped stir up the crowd to march and enter Capital building. 4 Philly area Proud Boys found guilty by a jury of their peers due to their efforts 1/6/2021.
See Philadelphia Inquirer articles shows how this unfolded
...About 10 men who identified themselves as Proud Boys arrived as the vice president's speech came to a close and argued with protesters.
...Pence's speech — which was part of a series of stops in eastern Pennsylvania Thursday — attracted a sizeable crowd of police supporters, as well as a smaller contingent of protesters outside the union hall.
The group stood in the street and shouted at Black Lives Matter protesters. They wore black and yellow shirts, hats that said "Proud Boys,” and waved the group's banner in the air.
A few Black men who were attending in support of Black Lives Matter argued with them as the Proud Boys members shouted "all lives matter" and yelled at female protesters across the street....
Once the motorcycle group passed, police opened up the barricade and allowed pro-police ralliers to walk through and join the FOP's "Back the Blue" after-party at the lodge. By 7:30 p.m., most of the Trump and police supporters had dissipated from street and into the gathering....
Once the motorcycle group passed, police opened up the barricade and allowed pro-police ralliers to walk through and join the FOP's "Back the Blue" after-party at the lodge. By 7:30 p.m., most of the Trump and police supporters had dissipated from street and into the gathering.
Zachary Rehl, the former head of the Philadelphia chapter of the Proud Boys, was convicted Thursday on seditious conspiracy charges alleging that he and three other leaders of the far-right extremist group orchestrated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol in an effort to keep President Donald Trump in power.
Rehl, 37, was also convicted of multiple felony counts including obstruction of Congress alongside the organization's former national president Henry "Enrique" Tarrio and two other regional leaders of the far-right group, Ethan Nordean, of Washington state, and Joseph Biggs, of Florida...
...And as Trump called his supporters to a Jan. 6 rally to protest Congress' certification of Joe Biden's victory, prosecutors say, Rehl was selected by top Proud Boys leadership to help organize the group's presence in Washington that day.
Videos from the Capitol riot widely shared on social media showed Rehl, dressed in a "Make America Great Again" cap and with a Temple Owls backpack, leading a group of more than 100 Proud Boys and followers on a meandering march from the Washington Monument to the Capitol....
And as hundreds of Trump supporters stormed past police barricades Rehl stood by the site of the first breach, shooting video on his phone. "F— them!” he shouted at the mob. "Storm the Capitol.
Their goal, the Justice Department said, citing reams of encrypted chat log transcripts seized from group members, was to "rile up the normies" — or Trump supporters unaffiliated with their organization — into storming the Capitol and disrupting the certification vote.....video surfaced during the trial that appeared to show him shooting pepper spray in the direction of officers trying to keep the mob at bay....
A conviction requires prosecutors to prove that the men were seeking to either overthrow the government or interfere with the execution of federal law by force...
From early planning via encrypted chats to members on the ground as the mob advanced on the Capitol, government evidence showed Proud Boys from Pennsylvania played an outsized role in Jan. 6
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As thousands of Donald Trump supporters arrived in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, to protest Congressional certification of President Joe Biden's victory, Aaron Whallon Wolkind, vice president of the Philadelphia Proud Boys, watched from afar brimming with anticipation for what he expected to unfold that day.
"I want to see thousands of normies burn that city to ash,” he wrote in an encrypted chat channel that members of the right-wing group were using to coordinate their movements that day. "The state is the enemy of the people.”
John Charles Stewart of Carlisle — responded, using a term members used to refer to Trump backers who were not directly affiliated with the Proud Boys movement.
"It's going to happen,” he wrote. "These normiecons have no adrenaline control. They are like a pack of wild dogs.”
That exchange was among thousands recovered by FBI agents and presented as evidence in the seditious conspiracy trial of four of the group's top leaders — including Zach Rehl, president of the Philadelphia chapter — who were convicted Thursday of helping to orchestrate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
Much of the evidence presented during the trial arose from the encrypted chats Proud Boys leaders used to prepare for their presence in Washington on Jan. 6 — many arising from a channel on Telegram dubbed the "Ministry of Self-Defense.”
Initially, the channel was only open to handpicked leaders within the organization, including Rehl, who went by the handle "Captain Trump,” and some of his codefendants like Proud Boys' national chairman Henry "Enrique" Tarrio; Ethan Nordean, of Washington state; and Joe Biggs, of Florida.,,,
Traditionally, the group had seen itself as allied with law enforcement throughout the May 2020 racial justice protests that arose after the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.
However, after a December 2020 rally in Washington that saw violent clashes with counterprotesters, several Proud Boys members stabbed, and the arrest of Tarrio for burning a Black Lives Matter banner, members of the group began to turn on authorities....
As Proud Boys gathered in Washington early on Jan. 6, Stewart's rage toward police appeared not to have abated. "I will settle,” he wrote to the others, "with seeing them smash some pigs [police] to dust....
On the witness stand, Rehl sought to portray himself as a staunch supporter of law enforcement who had no idea how violent the Capitol riot had become until it was over.
But during days testifying under sympathetic questioning from his attorney Carmen Hernandez, prosecutors uncovered new police bodycam footage that appeared to show Rehl spraying what looked like pepper or bear spray at an officer.
As members of the Philadelphia Proud Boys muscled their way onto the upper west terrace of the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021 — the scene of some of the most intense fighting that day — chapter member Freedom Vy had reservations.
Word had spread among the crowds that Vice President Mike Pence had just been evacuated from the building. And amid the chaos, Zach Rehl — head of the militant, right-wing organization's Philadelphia wing — suggested that he and the other members of his group head inside to see history unfold....
"I think it's a horrible idea,” Vy responded in a conversation caught on cell phone video. "But I'm not letting you go alone.”
That decision cemented Vy's involvement in the riot at the Capitol that caused more than $3 million in damage, left scores of officers injured, and threatened the peaceful transfer of presidential power. He pleaded guilty Tuesday to participating in the attack, making him the fourth member of the Philadelphia Proud Boys convicted of doing so. ..He entered his plea to one misdemeanor count of illegally entering a restricted area
And while federal prosecutors have charged more than 1,400 people across the country with taking part in the Capitol riot, Proud Boys members from Pennsylvania have played a significant role....
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Beerman said:
The purpose wasn't to meet and then storm the Capitol. It seems the people you know who went are evidence of that.
Then why did those people do that while waving Trump flags? Why were some reporting on Trump tweets during the assault (was he a cheer leader of sorts?) Why did Trump wait so long to tell them they were special but should go home if he thought what were doing was wrong? Was that lengthy costly delay another example of his super duper strong leadership skills?
If that wasn't the purpose... to create chaos and confusion and fear in the minds of Pence and the other legislators... why were they attacking police and shouting threats about hanging people? Why would those people behave that way? What is your theory?
The people that we know who went are old and wealthy business owners who walked back to their hotel after going to the ellipse and listening to the speeches. Their kids may have walked to the Capitol but I doubt it.
I'm not certain exactly what the family members did after the speeches because they don't really speak with the liberal voters in the family anymore. I have heard that they didn't go to the Trump speech because they were concealed carrying (as usual) but they did listen to the speeches outside the perimeter before walking to the Capitol building. I was told that my family members arrived at the Capitol after the perimeter security was breached and realized they did not really want be involved in a riot. I'm guessing that is some version of true but my information is second hand.
The reality is that the Capitol building perimeter security was breached before Trump finished his remarks. What was the purpose of all of those speeches talking about a stolen election that day?
Then why did those people do that while waving Trump flags? Why were some reporting on Trump tweets during the assault (was he a cheer leader of sorts?) Why did Trump wait so long to tell them they were special but should go home if he thought what were doing was wrong? Was that lengthy costly delay another example of his super duper strong leadership skills?
If that wasn't the purpose... to create chaos and confusion and fear in the minds of Pence and the other legislators... why were they attacking police and shouting threats about hanging people? Why would those people behave that way? What is your theory?
The people that we know who went are old and wealthy business owners who walked back to their hotel after going to the ellipse and listening to the speeches. Their kids may have walked to the Capitol but I doubt it.
I'm not certain exactly what the family members did after the speeches because they don't really speak with the liberal voters in the family anymore. I have heard that they didn't go to the Trump speech because they were concealed carrying (as usual) but they did listen to the speeches outside the perimeter before walking to the Capitol building. I was told that my family members arrived at the Capitol after the perimeter security was breached and realized they did not really want be involved in a riot. I'm guessing that is some version of true but my information is second hand.
The reality is that the Capitol building perimeter security was breached before Trump finished his remarks. What was the purpose of all of those speeches talking about a stolen election that day?
All your questions require a lot of speculation to answer. I like to let evidence and facts guide the discussion.
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All your questions require a lot of speculation to answer. I like to let evidence and facts guide the discussion.
Multiple AN members have posted from various newspapers and media evidence and facts regarding coordinated effort to prevent Biden becoming President. Some can't see the forest due to the trees.
Throughout 2020, the FBI authored approximately 12 intelligence products for our federal, state, local, tribal, and territorial law enforcement partners disseminating trends we saw in threat reporting and criminal activity involving domestic violent extremism. Over the last year, we observed activity that led us to assess there was potential for increased violent extremist activity at lawful protests taking place in communities across the United States. As such, in June 2020, we, with our partners at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), issued two separate joint intelligence bulletins highlighting the potential for increased violent extremist activity at such demonstrations and noting that likely targets would include law enforcement and government personnel. More recently, in late August 2020, we published an analytical report informing our partners that DVEs with partisan political grievances likely posed an increased threat related to the 2020 election. In that product, we noted that DVE responses to the election outcome might not occur until after the election and could be based on potential or anticipated policy changes. In December 2020, we contributed to a DHS Intelligence In-Depth product, which advised our partners the threat posed by the diverse DVE landscape would probably persist due to enduring grievances.
In the weeks and months leading up to electoral certification, the FBI collected and shared intelligence; coordinated and communicated among federal, state, and local law enforcement partners; and positioned federal resources for potential deployment. Through these measures, the FBI worked in close coordination with the U.S. Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington D.C., and other law enforcement partners leading up to the Joint Session of Congress and the planned demonstrations scheduled for January 6, 2021. The FBI and our federal, state, and local partners collected and shared intelligence and relevant public safety-related information in preparation for the various planned events.
Multiple AN members have posted from various newspapers and media evidence and facts regarding coordinated effort to prevent Biden becoming President. Some can't see the forest due to the trees.
This describes what they were anticipating. And depends on what their definition of "domestic terrorism" is.
Apparently it depends on the cause. Protesting an election which used various voting methods in numbers more than any other election. And the unjustified dealth of a criminal by a police officer.
It's the ideology that determines the threat. Not the actual crimes involved. No 9ne can say how the "mostly peacful protest" of 2020whicjb8ronically, led to the death of several black people, was treated the same as the 4 hour riot.
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I think many in attendance might have just shown solidarity with Trump and were protesting to the government to do something. This is what a lot of protests are about, just showing up and demanding the government do something, and their demands are done peacefully.
It's disturbing that so many people were convinced that Trump won the election and the democracy was at stake. I agree that many of them interviewed on that day blatantly used violent rhetoric about "taking our country back by force if we have to" and didn't say how when or why.
It's interesting to take a retrospect of it and what sugar coating republicans don't need to do is lead with the idea "it was a mostly peaceful protest (and wasn't as bad as BLM)". It was a violent protest and destruction of property occurred and people died. Own it, talk about and don't let it happen again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/19/magazine/stop-the-steal.html