This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Beerman said:

The burning of someone's Pride Flag is obviously fueled by hate.  Is it legally?  IDK.  I don't really agree with hate crime laws, but I digress.

 No excuse for hate graffiti,  violence, etc.  But do think there is different category of pushback from the general public that is fueled by the transsexual agenda.

I think we did get to a point where most of society has accepted the gay community.  Most understand that homosexuality is something that one is born with and that gays simply want to coexist and live their lives.

Trans is something totally different, and as I've mentioned before not sure how that community got to be grouped in with the gay community.  Being transsexual is a choice that is made.  Most as a result of a medical and/or psych condition, and for some as a way to get attention.  While they deserve to get the same rights and respect everyone else does,  they have overplayed their hand with the examples we've discussed in other places.  Many have grown weary of them demanding special treatment at the expense of others, and of those who have to show their wokeness in relation to this issue.

BTW, the day that tweet came out from the CO Republican party, I listened to parts of two different local conservative talk shows here in Colorado.  The hosts and several callers and texters were disgusted by it, and there have been calls for him to resign. 

 

No. Apparently being trans is not a choice either. As there is no such thing as biological sex. So I'm not sure how one can trans to anything? 

I agree. The gay community has been accepted and has made great progress. 

Most people do not care about how one person decideds to identify. I don't. However it gone far beyond acceptance. 

 

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Crusades said:

 

No. Apparently being trans is not a choice either. As there is no such thing as biological sex. So I'm not sure how one can trans to anything? 

I agree. The gay community has been accepted and has made great progress. 

Most people do not care about how one person decideds to identify. I don't. However it gone far beyond acceptance. 

 

No such thing as biological sex? 

Most people don't care but hundreds of anti LGBTQ laws get bounced around republican controlled state legislatures. 

The gay community is accepted but it's also gone far beyond acceptance?

Which contradiction would you like to explain first? 

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toomuchbaloney said:

No such thing as biological sex? 

Most people don't care but hundreds of anti LGBTQ laws get bounced around republican controlled state legislatures. 

The gay community is accepted but it's also gone far beyond acceptance?

Which contradiction would you like to explain first? 

The "no such thing as biological sex" I think was sarcasm because some of us believe that while there is most definitely biological sex at birth, it doesn't end there as people grow into something other than the gender they were born with.

My take from the poster is that the people don't care that people are transexual or nonbinary and thus are "accepted", but they want more than just acceptance, they want equality in the sex they identify or as Beerman said "special rights".  This is where they push the envelope and where push back is felt.  Examples would one "I don't care if you call yourself a woman, you're a man in a dress and I don't want you in the same bathroom as my daughter".  "You're a man with fake boobs and make up and shouldn't get to participate in a beauty patient".  "You're a woman with a beard that mutilated her body but I'm not going to call you him/his but say she/her".  "You're too young to know that you're transgender and will be offered no help with that and your parents are child abusers", "there are only two sexes:  male and female, end of discussion"...stuff like that.

There might be reason to be hopeful because pushback for gay marriage was strong and for the most part people are accepting, but things are a bit shaky now and I think mostly lead by "Christians" and the GOP they are making some headway in public opinion.  For me the key to keeping public support is visibility and this makes people uncomfortable because "why do you have to be in my face about it?".  

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-support-for-lgbtq-rights-is-declining-after-decades-of-support-heres-why

 

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Tweety said:

The "no such thing as biological sex" I think was sarcasm because some of us believe that while there is most definitely biological sex at birth, it doesn't end there as people grow into something other than the gender they were born with.

My take from the poster is that the people don't care that people are transexual or nonbinary and thus are "accepted", but they want more than just acceptance, they want equality in the sex they identify or as Beerman said "special rights".  This is where they push the envelope and where push back is felt.  Examples would one "I don't care if you call yourself a woman, you're a man in a dress and I don't want you in the same bathroom as my daughter".  "You're a man with fake boobs and make up and shouldn't get to participate in a beauty patient".  "You're a woman with a beard that mutilated her body but I'm not going to call you him/his but say she/her".  "You're too young to know that you're transgender and will be offered no help with that and your parents are child abusers", "there are only two sexes:  male and female, end of discussion"...stuff like that.

There might be reason to be hopeful because pushback for gay marriage was strong and for the most part people are accepting, but things are a bit shaky now and I think mostly lead by "Christians" and the GOP they are making some headway in public opinion.  For me the key to keeping public support is visibility and this makes people uncomfortable because "why do you have to be in my face about it?".  

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-support-for-lgbtq-rights-is-declining-after-decades-of-support-heres-why

 

Thank you for trying to explain the clear contradiction in the post by the other member.  I suspect that you put more thought into that reply than was put into the original comment. 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/verdict-reached-hunter-biden-gun-trial-rcna155458

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A jury in Delaware on Tuesday found Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, guilty on three felony gun charges after a weeklong trial that focused on his history of drug addiction.

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Two of the counts carry maximum prison sentences of 10 years, while the third has a maximum of five years. Under federal sentencing guideline recommendations, he could be sentenced to over a year in prison, but the judge could sentence him to more or less time. Each count also carries a maximum fine of $250,000.

No sentencing date has been set.

All that remains is the sentencing and the pardon.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

No such thing as biological sex? 

Most people don't care but hundreds of anti LGBTQ laws get bounced around republican controlled state legislatures. 

The gay community is accepted but it's also gone far beyond acceptance?

Which contradiction would you like to explain first? 

Let me clarify. LGB have equal rights and are protected under law. So are TQ. And so they all should be. There is far less homophonic now than there was 50 years ago or even 15 years ago. 

Tweety is correct in what he clarified in my statement.

Any privilege/right that infringes on another is not a right. 

No trans identifying people do not have the right to go into girls intimate spaces because they say they are a woman or non binary. No one has a right to  put girls and at risk or infringed on their privacy or comfort.  Even if the risk is minimal. 

No  trans identifying people do not have the right to compete against women and girls when they have a biological advantage and win awards and scholarships women and girls have worked hard to get. 

No one has a right to take/give/get minors chemicals to inhibit a natural process and/or removed healthy body parts. 

It's when the above is demanded and grieved as a right, this is when it goes beyond acceptance or basic rights.

 

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Tweety said:

The "no such thing as biological sex" I think was sarcasm because some of us believe that while there is most definitely biological sex at birth, it doesn't end there as people grow into something other than the gender they were born with.

My take from the poster is that the people don't care that people are transexual or nonbinary and thus are "accepted", but they want more than just acceptance, they want equality in the sex they identify or as Beerman said "special rights".  This is where they push the envelope and where push back is felt.  Examples would one "I don't care if you call yourself a woman, you're a man in a dress and I don't want you in the same bathroom as my daughter".  "You're a man with fake boobs and make up and shouldn't get to participate in a beauty patient".  "You're a woman with a beard that mutilated her body but I'm not going to call you him/his but say she/her".  "You're too young to know that you're transgender and will be offered no help with that and your parents are child abusers", "there are only two sexes:  male and female, end of discussion"...stuff like that.

There might be reason to be hopeful because pushback for gay marriage was strong and for the most part people are accepting, but things are a bit shaky now and I think mostly lead by "Christians" and the GOP they are making some headway in public opinion.  For me the key to keeping public support is visibility and this makes people uncomfortable because "why do you have to be in my face about it?".  

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-support-for-lgbtq-rights-is-declining-after-decades-of-support-heres-why

 

This is a great interpretation.  However I disagree with "special right' or "beyond acceptance" means equality. 

All human beings deserve and have equal rights under the law and in our society. I do not think that any lgbtq do not deserve rights and equality. 

Perhaps the fundamental Christians are making way as you said. However I think there is a radical part of the trans community that are doing a great job of swaying the everyday public opinion themselfs. Many of people who are not Christian as well.  Might I add, chiristians are not the only religion to take an aversion to lgbtq. 

 

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Crusades said:

Let me clarify. LGB have equal rights and are protected under law. So are TQ. And so they all should be. There is far less homophonic now than there was 50 years ago or even 15 years ago. 

Tweety is correct in what he clarified in my statement.

Any privilege/right that infringes on another is not a right. 

No trans identifying people do not have the right to go into girls intimate spaces because they say they are a woman or non binary. No one has a right to  put girls and at risk or infringed on their privacy or comfort.  Even if the risk is minimal. 

No  trans identifying people do not have the right to compete against women and girls when they have a biological advantage and win awards and scholarships women and girls have worked hard to get. 

No one has a right to take/give/get minors chemicals to inhibit a natural process and/or removed healthy body parts. 

It's when the above is demanded and grieved as a right, this is when it goes beyond acceptance or basic rights.

 

I'm not sure what I got wrong about it because I essentially said the same thing.

toomuchbaloney said:

His dumb *** should have plead guilty.  Wonder what he and his legal team were thinking, but he apparently isn't known for making good decisions.  

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Crusades said:

Let me clarify. LGB have equal rights and are protected under law. So are TQ. And so they all should be. There is far less homophonic now than there was 50 years ago or even 15 years ago. 

Tweety is correct in what he clarified in my statement.

Any privilege/right that infringes on another is not a right. 

No trans identifying people do not have the right to go into girls intimate spaces because they say they are a woman or non binary. No one has a right to  put girls and at risk or infringed on their privacy or comfort.  Even if the risk is minimal. 

No  trans identifying people do not have the right to compete against women and girls when they have a biological advantage and win awards and scholarships women and girls have worked hard to get. 

No one has a right to take/give/get minors chemicals to inhibit a natural process and/or removed healthy body parts. 

It's when the above is demanded and grieved as a right, this is when it goes beyond acceptance or basic rights.

 

You had better start petitioning the plastic surgeons about not altering or removing healthy body parts.  

You are arguing that your discomfort should be considered before another's individual rights for self expression and self care.  THAT goes beyond acceptance.  

Tweety said:

I'm not sure what I got wrong about it because I essentially said the same thing.

His dumb *** should have plead guilty.  Wonder what he and his legal team were thinking, but he apparently isn't known for making good decisions.  

He did.  He pled guilty and had a plea deal that blew up... remember?  

Tweety said:

 

His dumb *** should have plead guilty.  Wonder what he and his legal team were thinking, but he apparently isn't known for making good decisions.  

He did, but the judge nixed it.

He likely then had another offer that they declined.

 

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Crusades said:

This is a great interpretation.  However I disagree with "special right' or "beyond acceptance" means equality. 

All human beings deserve and have equal rights under the law and in our society. I do not think that any lgbtq do not deserve rights and equality. 

Perhaps the fundamental Christians are making way as you said. However I think there is a radical part of the trans community that are doing a great job of swaying the everyday public opinion themselfs. Many of people who are not Christian as well.  Might I add, chiristians are not the only religion to take an aversion to lgbtq. 

 

You say that all humans deserve respect but members of the conservative MAGA movement are intentionally and routinely disrespectful and aggressive with members of the LGBTQ community.  They dead name and misgender people for sport.  They want references to anything about them removed from school libraries and made off limits for discussion in schools.    Conservatives want their LGBTQ neighbors to be quiet and unobtrusive and not too flamboyant. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

He did.  He pled guilty and had a plea deal that blew up... remember?  

After which when the felony charges were brought up, he still had a choice to plead guilty or go to trial.  He chose to go to trial.  

 

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