This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Love is eternal

World War II veteran, 100, marries 96-year-old fiancée near Normandy's D-Day beaches --and attended the state dinner at the Élysée Palace on Saturday night with President Emmanuel Macron and US President Joe Biden.

 

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Beerman said:

The burning of someone's Pride Flag is obviously fueled by hate.  Is it legally?  IDK.  I don't really agree with hate crime laws, but I digress.

 No excuse for hate graffiti,  violence, etc.  But do think there is different category of pushback from the general public that is fueled by the transsexual agenda.

I think we did get to a point where most of society has accepted the gay community.  Most understand that homosexuality is something that one is born with and that gays simply want to coexist and live their lives.

Trans is something totally different, and as I've mentioned before not sure how that community got to be grouped in with the gay community.  Being transsexual is a choice that is made.  Most as a result of a medical and/or psych condition, and for some as a way to get attention.  While they deserve to get the same rights and respect everyone else does,  they have overplayed their hand with the examples we've discussed in other places.  Many have grown weary of them demanding special treatment at the expense of others, and of those who have to show their wokeness in relation to this issue.

BTW, the day that tweet came out from the CO Republican party, I listened to parts of two different local conservative talk shows here in Colorado.  The hosts and several callers and texters were disgusted by it, and there have been calls for him to resign. 

I would say that burning someone else's property is illegal.

I too have heard other republicans criticize Colorado's GOP.

I also agree that the pushback we're seeing towards Pride and the queer community in general can be traced back to transpeople rising up to be included and recognized as their chose gender and people saying "oh no, wait a minute here".

Yes, we've discussed it before and I you've pretty much repeated what you said last year and I repeated myself.  LOL

 

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I read an article that young voters in Europe are turning more to the right.  This seems to be reflect in EU elections where the right made some gains, but the centrists remained more dominant, and that green is not popular.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/10/nx-s1-4998253/european-union-eu-parliament-elections-takeaways

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Tweety said:

I read an article that young voters in Europe are turning more to the right.  This seems to be reflect in EU elections where the right made some gains, but the centrists remained more dominant, and that green is not popular.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/10/nx-s1-4998253/european-union-eu-parliament-elections-takeaways

I am pretty sure that I mentioned during the Trump presidency that right wing extremism was experiencing a time of growth across the globe.  Here we are.  

I'm sure she did her part to care for the planet and the taxpayer and flew commercial.

"The first lady's commitment to attending the trial was evident as she flew back late last Thursday from France, where she accompanied President Joe Biden to mark the 80th anniversary of D-Day, to attend Friday's court hearings before flying back overseas to attend a state dinner hosted by the French prime minister on Saturday."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jill-biden-supports-hunter-biden-visits-trial/story?id=110931768

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toomuchbaloney said:

I am pretty sure that I mentioned during the Trump presidency that right wing extremism was experiencing a time of growth across the globe.  Here we are.  

Yes, it's been a trend but "right wing extremism" may not be correct but for maybe Hungary,  but definitely a swing to the right with Italy's PM seeming to be a leader.  You really can't read the article without a prescription but the view makes the point.

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Meloni has won over Biden, now she hopes for Trump's return

The Italian prime minister cultivates a long-standing closeness with American conservative circles, and hopes to capitalize on this politically if the former Republican president returns to the White House.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/06/09/meloni-has-won-over-biden-now-she-hopes-for-trump-s-return_6674300_4.html

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Beerman said:

I didn't request any such thing.

Yes, your remark was hostile.  And several recently to another poster have had a more hostile tone than the usual condescension.  A break from here might do you some good.

You're right.  I still have a grudge torward that member (I won't say who) that said I deserved the graphic violent threat that another member made at me.  And, as you know, neither one were MAGA's.

OK. 

Nah. I don't need a break... unless it's a break from your hypocritical double standard.  Since that's unlikely, I'll just continue on in my own style.  

Right.  Trump is all about remembering perceived wrongs and musing about retribution or revenge, that sentiment is central to his denials and victimhood stance.  It is one of the things mimicked by his followers.  

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Tweety said:

Yes, it's been a trend but "right wing extremism" may not be correct but for maybe Hungary,  but definitely a swing to the right with Italy's PM seeming to be a leader.  You really can't read the article without a prescription but the view makes the point.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/06/09/meloni-has-won-over-biden-now-she-hopes-for-trump-s-return_6674300_4.html

What makes you believe that right wing extremism doesn't play a role in pushing political sentiment to the right?  Grievance is a powerful tool.  

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Saw this today Macron Sunday disolved lower House parlament, calling for elections one day after President Biden left..... French Presidential election not until 2027.

NY Times 6/9/2024

Battered by Far Right in E.U. Vote, Macron Calls for New Elections in France

The president's decision, on the eve of the Summer Olympic Games that begin in Paris in July, ushered in a period of deep political uncertainty in France.
 

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President Emmanuel Macron of France, battered by a crushing defeat from the extreme right in European elections, dissolved the lower house of Parliament on Sunday and called for legislative elections beginning on June 30.

His decision, announced in a television broadcast to the nation, was a measure of the tumult created by Mr. Macron's severe defeat in elections to the European Parliament. Projections gave the National Rally, led by Marine Le Pen and her wildly popular protégé, Jordan Bardella, about 31.5 percent of the vote, and Mr. Macron's Renaissance party about 15.2 percent.

"The rise of nationalists and demagogues is a danger for our nation and for Europe,” Mr. Macron said. "After this day, I cannot go on as though nothing has happened.”...

...He was under no obligation to dissolve Parliament, even if the European vote left him a reduced figure with three years of his presidential term still to run.

But he has often taken risks, rolling the dice to see if France awakens at last to what he perceives as a dire nationalist and xenophobic threat to the country's liberty, democracy, openness and rule of law.

He called the far right nationalist wave a danger "to the place of France in Europe and the world" and noted that he was saying this "as we have just celebrated with the entire world the landings in Normandy and will in a few weeks welcome the world for the Olympics and Paralympics.”

 

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

What makes you believe that right wing extremism doesn't play a role in pushing political sentiment to the right?  Grievance is a powerful tool.  

I didn't say that.  I said I'm not sure the elections in Europe indicates right wing extremism. But the NYT did above in Karen's article.  But I'm not prone to rhetoric.  I am mindful of the right turn there.

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Tweety said:

I didn't say that.  I said I'm not sure the elections in Europe indicates right wing extremism. But the NYT did above in Karen's article.  But I'm not prone to rhetoric.  I am mindful of the right turn there.

No you aren't prone to using rhetoric unless you are using sarcasm.  

Perhaps my framing was bad...I think it's appropriate to expect that a shift in political thinking to the right is influenced and encouraged by extremists who consolidate grievance against liberalism.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

No you aren't prone to using rhetoric unless you are using sarcasm.  

Perhaps my framing was bad...I think it's appropriate to expect that a shift in political thinking to the right is influenced and encouraged by extremists who consolidate grievance against liberalism.  

True enough.   

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