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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws
QuoteThe abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
nursej22 said:I find that republicans are more focused on transgender issues than democrats or progressives. The GOP candidate tried to instill fear of men competing in women's sports, and said that children were undergoing sex change operations in schools.
Manchin also calls out republicans for their refusal to rein in gun usage.
I'm not defending Trump's lies about sex changes done by schools. So let's get that red herring out of the way.
So, to your example of males competing in female sports. That is something that is actually happening.
It's not fear. It's that many, if not a majority of people, believe that it is wrong. You're right. More Republicans are paying attention to it than Democrats. Because if they don't then nothing is going to fix it. Some Democrats don't see it as an issue and there is nothing to fix. That is the point Manchin is making in that they're out of touch with most Americans. And, you've proven my point about some here being out of touch.
Then their are other spineless Democrats that are quiet because they're scared of upsetting the trans movement.
Beerman said:True that. You often see it in posts in these forums.
"Manchin says progressives are out of touch with Americans"
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-manchin-calls-democratic-party-toxic-blames-progressives
Much has been said about this: "Manchin blamed progressive lawmakers for shifting the party's brand away from issues such as ensuring good jobs and good pay for Americans to instead focus more on sensitive social issues like transgender rights and telling Americans what they can or cannot do."
I'm not sure what he means "telling Americans what they can or cannot do".
Trump and allies poured millions of dollars in a final ad campaign putting social issues front and center. Some put the figure of anti-trans ads at $215 million dollars. So which party really focused on these issues?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-spends-millions-anti-trans-ads-despite-polls/story?id=115001816
Democrats and others have even come to blame queer people (primarily trans people) for losing the election. Never mind that more queers than elections past voted Democrat, but it's also a false narrative that they focused more on sensitive social issues than important ones. Yes, there was a message of inclusivity and queer people rejoiced and publicized that as important, thus was the only voting block that declined in numbers voting for Trump.
I don't think people can have it both ways. Biden spent a lot of time any money trying to create jobs for example, "Made in America" was a focus of the Biden-Harris Administration. Some figures say 800,000 manufacturing jobs were created. In 2022 the unemployment rate was at it's pre-pandemic level.
The right focuses on something the left is doing they don't like and think that's all they care about and are focused on. It worked.
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Beerman said:I'm not defending Trump's lies about sex changes done by schools. So let's get that red herring out of the way.
So, to your example of males competing in female sports. That is something that is actually happening.
It's not fear. It's that many, if not a majority of people, believe that it is wrong. You're right. More Republicans are paying attention to it than Democrats. Because if they don't then nothing is going to fix it. Some Democrats don't see it as an issue and there is nothing to fix. That is the point Manchin is making in that they're out of touch with most Americans. And, you've proven my point about some here being out of touch.
Then their are other spineless Democrats that are quiet because they're scared of upsetting the trans movement.
Spineless? Gee, I thought we were just being polite and not taking the bait fron Repubs about their hateful rhetoric and inability to come up with things like a health care plan. The government isn't here to solve debatable social issues. The are supposed to administer a government ...that's it. You have issues with problems you can't solve via government.
subee said:The government isn't here to solve debatable social issues. The are supposed to administer a government ...that's it. You have issues with problems you can't solve via government.
nursej22 said:I reject the suggestion that most Americans are concerned about trans people.
I agree with Subee, this is not an issue for government to solve. In regards to men participating in women's sports, that should be up to each sports organization to work out.
In it's first year in office the Biden administration inserted itself in the men playing women's sports issue by intervening in several lawsuits.
Then, in 2023 they proposed a regulation that organizations couldn't ban transwomen from mens sports.
The Biden administration fired the first shots on this issue and the Republicans fought back. Quite successfully, I might add.
Just because a person cares about one issue doesn't mean that they aren't concerned about other issues and are out of touch. Most of us are aware that most people care more about their grocery bills and making ends than what the Human Rights Campaign or the Million Moms are concerned about.
Just because someone failed at a cause or it's a minority opinion doesn't mean it wasn't worthwhile. Also sometimes it's hard to find out which came first, the chicken or the egg. Did Democrats make it front and center and the right fought back? Or did trans and homophobia from the right make it front and center and Democrats fought back? Either way it's been years in the making. I remember Christians making it front and center when Anita Bryant in the late 70's decided to make gay teachers a cause she was against and went national with it.
It is a bit discouraging that, sports aside, the queer issues were fought back with myths, lies, fear-based rhetoric about grooming, etc. Quite successfully, I might add.
Beerman said:
In it's first year in office the Biden administration inserted itself in the men playing women's sports issue by intervening in several lawsuits.
Then, in 2023 they proposed a regulation that organizations couldn't ban transwomen from mens sports.
The Biden administration fired the first shots on this issue and the Republicans fought back. Quite successfully, I might add.
I'm asking this in total ignorance and not being snide: Were these cases based as a civil rights issue? Did they all go to SCOTUS? If they did, didn't SCOTUS have the right not to hear them? Did SCOTUS override it's powers in making decisions on these cases? Is there something about equal protection in the Constitution? Why would the court even want to be involved in deciding whether a former man should be allowed to compete with women? This could have been resolved at a local level but the court wanted to muddle in Republican politics. ....IMHO.
subee said:I'm asking this in total ignorance and not being snide: Were these cases based as a civil rights issue? Did they all go to SCOTUS? If they did, didn't SCOTUS have the right not to hear them? Did SCOTUS override it's powers in making decisions on these cases? Is there something about equal protection in the Constitution? Why would the court even want to be involved in deciding whether a former man should be allowed to compete with women? This could have been resolved at a local level but the court wanted to muddle in Republican politics. ....IMHO.
From today's news:
QuoteTexas Attorney General Ken Paxton has sued the NCAA to block the participation of transgender athletes in women's sports, arguing that it tricks and misleads fans.
The lawsuit filed in state district court in Lubbock and announced Sunday, argues the NCAA violates the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act by promoting women's sports that may include a transgender athlete. The law is designed to protect consumers from being misled or tricked into buying products or services that are not as advertised, the lawsuit said.
The Texas lawsuit is the latest attempt by conservative politicians to target transgender athletes and push the NCAA into banning them from competition. President-elect Donald Trump has said he wants to stop trans athletes from competing.
Also from this week:
QuoteA federal appeals court has revived a lawsuit challenging the Connecticut high school sports association's policy of allowing transgender girls to compete in girls' sports, issuing a limited ruling that several cisgender female athletes had standing to erase certain track and field records they had lost to transgender female competitors.
Also today from the lame duck. (I don't think we've heard the last from his staffers that have worked with him the last four years)
These are victories for the right. Like Beerman said very successful indeed. Conservatives have been successful on many fronts including winning the Presidency. Suck it up buttercup.
QuoteThe Biden administration has withdrawn its efforts to provide protections to transgender student athletes and forgive student loans.
https://www.them.us/story/biden-withdraws-proposals-trans-athlete-protections-student-debt-relief
In other news. Gaetz has admitted to some wild behavior when he was young. But this......
Quote"The Committee concluded there was substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz violated House Rules, state and federal laws, and other standards of conduct prohibiting prostitution, statutory rape, illicit drug use, acceptance of impermissible gifts, the provision of special favors and privileges, and obstruction of Congress," the report states.
nursej22 said:I find that republicans are more focused on transgender issues than democrats or progressives. The GOP candidate tried to instill fear of men competing in women's sports, and said that children were undergoing sex change operations in schools.
Manchin also calls out republicans for their refusal to rein in gun usage.
Trump was refering to children expressing their gender change at school without teachers notifing parents. Not full on surgical sex changes in the library at lunch. A child can very well go to school a boy then come home a girl or be neither and repete it all the next day. As all they have to do is say they are a different sex/gender/neither. According to the trans activist narrative. That comment from Trump was low hanging fruit to exploit but just comes across as ridiculous to think he really was saying surgeries were being done at school.
nursej22 said:I reject the suggestion that most Americans are concerned about trans people.
I agree with Subee, this is not an issue for government to solve. In regards to men participating in women's sports, that should be up to each sports organization to work out.
I think most Americans object to the extreems trans "rights" has come to. When ever has it been acceptable to surgically remove or modify healthy body parts? Other than elective cosmetic procedures for adults and are not considered "healthcare"? Or to inject hazardous medications for no medically indicated reason? Before any actual phycological help? Then say denying these "interventions" is causing "transgenocide"? Or parents that object are leading their children to suicide?
Or former men on women's sports? Men in women's intimate spaces?
Does any of that sound reasonable?
As for the queers, didn't they say they only wanted to love who they want and be reconized as a martial couple? Surely not wanting to go onto women's intimate areas? That would be crazy! And yet here we are. And all the bigots of history can now lay claim to "I told you so". The trans movement has not done the LGBTQ community any favors.
The trans issue has gone unchecked for fear of being canceled and the democrats and the Republicans are to blame for not adressing this sooner. Republucans became the reasonable option. They voiced it and Tweety is right, it worked!
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I find that republicans are more focused on transgender issues than democrats or progressives. The GOP candidate tried to instill fear of men competing in women's sports, and said that children were undergoing sex change operations in schools.
Manchin also calls out republicans for their refusal to rein in gun usage.