There's "no evidence" coronavirus survivors can't be reinfected, WHO says

[NRSKarenRN]

There's "no evidence" coronavirus survivors can't be reinfected, WHO says

by Sophie Lewis

April 25, 2020 / 12:52 PM / CBS News

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The World Health Organization (WHO) said there is "no evidence" that survivors of COVID-19 cannot be reinfected with the virus. In a statement Saturday morning, WHO warned that antibodies may not adequately protect survivors, leaving them vulnerable to a second coronavirus infection.

The warning came as several countries, including the United States, are considering allowing people who have recovered to carry "immunity passports" or "risk-free certificates." That documentation would allow survivors to return to work and other activities under the assumption that they are immune from the virus. ...

April 24, 2000

WHO: "Immunity passports" in the context of COVID-19

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WHO has published guidance on adjusting public health and social measures for the next phase of the COVID-19 response.1 Some governments have suggested that the detection of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could serve as the basis for an “immunity passport” or “risk-free certificate” that would enable individuals to travel or to return to work assuming that they are protected against re-infection. There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection....

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19

[HandsOffMySteth]

I have no plans on panicking. It's here and one way or another we have to deal with it. Only calm minds will prevail.

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

1 hour ago, HeartlandRN said:

We've been through this already. POTUS received info via Americans from the CDC working within WHO last November, from HHS Azar in December, from Navarro in Jan, etc. Easily verifiable and citations have been provided over and over. This along with the well documented hierarchy of statements from President himself who was calling it all a hoax as late as the second week of March.

While my intent is not to upset you and grind axes. I'm also not going to reinvent history as doing so adds no value for any of us.

For those who haven't seen the WHO China information:

On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. As of 3 January 2020, a total of 44 patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology have been reported to WHO by the national authorities in China...

https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-January-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/

On 11 and 12 January 2020, WHO received further detailed information from the National Health Commission about the outbreak

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-January-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

On 22 January 2020: WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020

3 February 2020: WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states with weaker health systems.

https://www.who.int/publications-detail/strategic-preparedness-and-response-plan-for-the-new-coronavirus

11 March 2020: Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.

[A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN]

Americans are burnt out. Even during pre-modern medicine eras, during events like the Black Plague people still had to work in order to survive. And the Coronavirus is not as lethal by any means. It's time to move on. Quarantine your own self if you're that scared.

[Daisy4RN]

9 hours ago, herring_RN said:

For those who haven't seen the WHO China information:

On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. As of 3 January 2020, a total of 44 patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology have been reported to WHO by the national authorities in China...

https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-January-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/

On 11 and 12 January 2020, WHO received further detailed information from the National Health Commission about the outbreak

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-January-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

On 22 January 2020: WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020

3 February 2020: WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states with weaker health systems.

https://www.who.int/publications-detail/strategic-preparedness-and-response-plan-for-the-new-coronavirus

11 March 2020: Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.

This time line leaves out a few keys facts.

Taiwan told the WHO on Dec 30 that the virus was spread human to human

Jan 14 the WHO stated no human to human spread

Jan 30 Trump bans travel from China

WHO response was that banning travel was not necessary

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[toomuchbaloney]

Trump ignored the pandemic and planned to just let it run through the country, until the scientists convinced him that a couple million deaths wouldn't be good campaign material. His supporters are desperate to blame the WHO or anyone for Trump's incompetent delay to meaningful response.

It certainly isn't the fault of the WHO that we are still behind in testing and the president lies to us everyday during briefings.

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

15 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It certainly isn't the fault of the WHO that we are still behind in testing and the president lies to us everyday during briefings.

Read the post prior to yours. If the president was given faulty information, it's hard to make a sound decision. People who blame Trump for everything are just as desperate sounding as those who excuse him for everything. I believe the ball was dropped in many places, both before and after CV-19 arrived in the US. Many shady characters are responsible, and many innocent people paid for it. But to make it all about 1 person is irresponsible and short sighted at best.

This is not about Dem or Rep, this is about humanity. Am I giving DJT a pass? Not at all. I can't stand him, any time he's on TV I change the channel because I can't stand the sound of his voice, his often condescending attitude, or limited vocabulary. I look at his tweets occasionally and think that someone should take his phone privileges away. But I'm not about to saddle him with full blame when there were other shady characters that put bad info out there for him to make decisions on. Sorry, not sorry

[guest1146168]

30 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trump ignored the pandemic and planned to just let it run through the country, until the scientists convinced him that a couple million deaths wouldn't be good campaign material. His supporters are desperate to blame the WHO or anyone for Trump's incompetent delay to meaningful response.

It certainly isn't the fault of the WHO that we are still behind in testing and the president lies to us everyday during briefings.

Well, that Is exactly what happened, though the blame WHO effort seems to be running out of steam and Alex Azar seems to be the next smoke bomb. Again, no fan of Azar's at all, but then again last I looked the Secretary of Health and Human Services is appointed by the President.

[guest1146168]

37 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Read the post prior to yours. If the president was given faulty information, it's hard to make a sound decision. People who blame Trump for everything are just as desperate sounding as those who excuse him for everything. I believe the ball was dropped in many places, both before and after CV-19 arrived in the US. Many shady characters are responsible, and many innocent people paid for it. But to make it all about 1 person is irresponsible and short sighted at best.

This is not about Dem or Rep, this is about humanity. Am I giving DJT a pass? Not at all. I can't stand him, any time he's on TV I change the channel because I can't stand the sound of his voice, his often condescending attitude, or limited vocabulary. I look at his tweets occasionally and think that someone should take his phone privileges away. But I'm not about to saddle him with full blame when there were other shady characters that put bad info out there for him to make decisions on. Sorry, not sorry

He got direct data dumps from Americans from the CDC working from WHO as far back and November. An entire host of credible documentation attesting to both Azar and Navarro warning him with models as to exactly how devastating this could be in December (Azar) and Navarro (January). So , yeah, he knew and he got the best information there was at the time. There was no reason to wait for WHO or some archangel from heaven to hand deliver him an engraved crystal. To me it all comes back to people are paying a price, and will continue to, for not respecting how hard governing is and how much experience and good intent matter.

As a radical moderate who leans center-left or center-right depending upon the issue at hand, I didn't think Trump had the moral character or a genuine interest in Governing . I chose to listen to the warnings of those who knew him best; New Yorkers.

But for me it isn't about that. I didn't vote for W. Bush either, but I can certainly honestly discuss what he did well and not so well and I neverdoubted his loyalty to the country for a moment.

[NormaSaline]

How much we don't know about Corona could fill several Grand Canyons, while what we do know could fill the grass field of your local high school.

I still personally "believe" in the value of testing even if that value is to help us figure out what's wrong (or right) with the test itself. We need to generate knowledge and we need people there, ready, to capture and analyze it. More specifically, I do not see very much in the way of chatter or papers about how we are clearing this virus and that's what we need to know in order to know if insufficient clearing is possibly contributing to the idea that those of us who've been infected are not immune to reinfection.

ETA: And this morning, I had a thought that maybe this thing turns into something like LTBI (latent TB). ?

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Read the post prior to yours. If the president was given faulty information, it's hard to make a sound decision. People who blame Trump for everything are just as desperate sounding as those who excuse him for everything. I believe the ball was dropped in many places, both before and after CV-19 arrived in the US. Many shady characters are responsible, and many innocent people paid for it. But to make it all about 1 person is irresponsible and short sighted at best.

This is not about Dem or Rep, this is about humanity. Am I giving DJT a pass? Not at all. I can't stand him, any time he's on TV I change the channel because I can't stand the sound of his voice, his often condescending attitude, or limited vocabulary. I look at his tweets occasionally and think that someone should take his phone privileges away. But I'm not about to saddle him with full blame when there were other shady characters that put bad info out there for him to make decisions on. Sorry, not sorry

If this isn't about partisan politics then it should be easy to name and consider the failures of the Trump administration in this pandemic. It wouldn't be such an ordeal to speak about them in forums such as this. But it's not easy and it's always an ordeal.

Trump deserves scrutiny for how he responded to the information that he was given. If some evidence of deep malfeasance on the part of the WHO is discovered, they will be held accountable separately. Is Trump deserving of "full blame" for the botched American response? How would we ever know if we're not allowed to ever consider his performance?

I think if people don't want to be accountable the they shouldn't seek out leadership positions...

[Emergent, RN]

18 hours ago, AN Admin Team said:

Admins stepping in now to ensure this topic doesn't implode.

As stated in a previous thread when members were going at each other one-on-one ...

1. Members have the choice to place posters on ignore
2. Please debate the topic. DO NOT quote an individual in order to make it a one-on-one debate
3. And, above all, please be respectful

If members continue to quote a post only to dissect it piece-by-piece and say, "you this and you that", thus making it a one-on-one debate ... it will not end well.

Please just debate the topic ... not each other.

Thank you.

I hope you don't mind me quoting you. Thanks for posting this. I had to figure out how to use the ignore button recently. I kept getting quoted by someone that I really didn't want to interact with. I almost felt like I was being stalked. The ignore feature really helped me.

[toomuchbaloney]

And so it's best to just stick with the evidence, rather than broadly characterizing people or ideas because you don't agree. Whether or not you agree, the political decisions and leadership during a national crisis matter. Governance matters. It can be the difference between life and death.

The available evidence doesn't support the notion that the POTUS got terrible information and that resulted in his comparatively terrible decision making. The current evidence tells a much different story. Trump's words and actions can be compared to those of other world leaders having gotten similar information. The USA is the leader in disease and death now...