I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Crusades said:
Are you seriously going to willfully forget about the atrocities comitted by the misinterpreted Islam? ?
What in the world is that? Are you trying to imply that "misinterpreted" Islamic terrorists and authoritarians use violence to forward liberal agendas or beliefs?
You'll have to explain what point you were trying to make, unless the point was nothing more than strawman arguments.
What in the world is that? Are you trying to imply that "misinterpreted" Islamic terrorists and authoritarians use violence to forward liberal agendas or beliefs?
You'll have to explain what point you were trying to make, unless the point was nothing more than strawman arguments.
No. You made a reference to "Christians" using their beliefs to enact violence. After I said misinterpretation of words, in this case Trump's can't be placed on the person. Using the interpretation of scripture to justify violence. Somehow peacfully and patriotically some how translated into a riot.
However, the radical "protesters" caling for the death to America, complete with hamas support, antisemitic chants and jihadist doesn't quite seem like the usual "MAGA " folk now does it?
IN DECEMBER 2022, DONALD TRUMP said something that, in a healthy political culture, would have spelled his doom. Referring to his lie that the 2020 election was stolen, he wrote, "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
All rules, regulations, and articles must be terminated for his sake. That is not the language of populism, that is aspiring despotism. The Constitution itself must be cashiered if it stands in the way of his ego and his power. There it is, in black and white, Trump's direct assault on the foundation of the republic.
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Those who are soothing themselves that a second Trump presidency wouldn't be so bad are recalling the first term incorrectly. The reason Trump was unable to order that border crossers be shot in the legs, or that the IRS conduct audits of his foes, or that the United States withdraw from NATO, or that the military shoot rioters after George Floyd's murder, or that the Justice Department lie about election results, or any of the myriad other crimes, outrages, or stupidities the former president contemplated was that his own hires talked him out of things or slow-walked them until Trump's goldfish attention turned elsewhere.
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The foreign policy implications of electing Trump are just as frightening. He disrupted key American alliances in NATO and East Asia in his first term, but would destroy them in a second term. Without the U.S. security guarantee, nations around the globe would rush to acquire their own nuclear stockpiles. Trump would reward Putin's aggression by abandoning Ukraine, which would whet Putin's appetite for the Baltics, Xi's appetite for Taiwan, and God only knows what other aggressors' plans.
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Crusades said:
No. You made a reference to "Christians" using their beliefs to enact violence. After I said misinterpretation of words, in this case Trump's can't be placed on the person. Using the interpretation of scripture to justify violence. Somehow peacfully and patriotically some how translated into a riot.
However, the radical "protesters" caling for the death to America, complete with hamas support, antisemitic chants and jihadist doesn't quite seem like the usual "MAGA " folk now does it?
You're not making any sense. Right wing religious extremism is often associated with violence. Christian, Islamic, Jewish... it doesn't matter... the extremist tendency to violence is historic and well documented.
You still haven explained how Trump's devoted and violent mob got the idea that they needed to go to the Capitol and fight. You haven't explained what influenced them to be that angry about something that wasn't true. What radicalized them to take violent action against your government? They were calling for the death of the VP and members of congress. Members of the MAGA cult did that. Why?
It sure didn't sound like the defense cross examination started with any kind of dynamic questioning.
Turley's opinions about Trump are always interesting. I wondered yesterday if he would be the defense witness that is going to be called. I heard that there's only one defense witness. But I don't think he would write this if he was a witness.
That aside, I have to wonder why he doesn't see the documents and communications and testimony connect pay off reimbursements to Trump that were then cataloged as legal fees. It's a consistent narrative from team Trump though... one that depends upon making Cohen seen more dishonest than Trump... the guy who lies and pressures young women to have unprotected sex with him while his wife is home with his newborn.
Sounds like maybe you're convinced that Trump is a victim.
I am anxious to see what that cross examination will grow into on Thursday and how the jury will respond to it.
You're not making any sense. Right wing religious extremism is often associated with violence. Christian, Islamic, Jewish... it doesn't matter... the extremist tendency to violence is historic and well documented.
You still haven explained how Trump's devoted and violent mob got the idea that they needed to go to the Capitol and fight. You haven't explained what influenced them to be that angry about something that wasn't true. What radicalized them to take violent action against your government? They were calling for the death of the VP and members of congress. Members of the MAGA cult did that. Why?
Right. You only seemed to refer to Christian.
You and the democrats it seems have not been able to explain exactly how Trump was able to incite a mob to attack the capital. As he's not charged with incitement. I wonder why that is?
Or where the line is for freedom of speech and incitement. It seems to depend on the person and their political association... or the democrat flavor of the day......
Yeah right. Just like it was going to be detrimental and Trump will start WW3 when he's president. 2016 wants it's narrative back.
P.s it was all bull.
You either didn't read the linked article or reading comprehension is not your forte. Trump had people around him in his first term that put the brakes on many of his crazy stunts, like shooting boarder crossers in the knees, withdrawing from NATO, having the IRS audit his foes, or having the Justice Department lie about the election results. Do you know who Jeffrey Clark is? Trump was going to make him acting attorney general so that he could manipulate the election results.
Imagine Stephen Miller as head of Homeland Security, Alina Habba as attorney general, Steve Bannon as secretary of state, Jim Jordan, MTG and Matt Gaetz on the supreme court.
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Crusades said:
Right. You only seemed to refer to Christian.
You and the democrats it seems have not been able to explain exactly how Trump was able to incite a mob to attack the capital. As he's not charged with incitement. I wonder why that is?
Or where the line is for freedom of speech and incitement. It seems to depend on the person and their political association... or the democrat flavor of the day......
I don't need to explain how Trump did that. A good portion of Trump's efforts have been already uncovered and reported in in a variety of settings. Multiple people are charged with multiple crimes related to Trump's attempts to retain lost power by messing with vote totals and EC electors.
You are the one who claimed that it wasn't Trump and his rally on January 6th that caused the mob to descend upon the Capitol of your government to stop the peaceful transfer of power. You are the one that needs to explain, which is why you tried to change the focus that you created.
It's not important right this moment why Trump isn't charged with incitement. It's important for you to explain why those people went to DC on 010621... in your own words. Was it a party to celebrate Trump's loss? What did the 12 Trump approved speakers say before Trump gave his speech? What was the purpose of the entire event?
Keep whining about incitement charges that haven't been brought. That's silly. Unless you're just trying to chill my free speech and ability to speak the truth about Trump's corrupt intentions. You don't believe he incited the violent events of that day. I disagree. History will write the truth of it and the questions that I asked you, when answered, won't support your claim.
I think you know this.
This isn't about right and left. This is about right and wrong and you are choosing the side that attacked our Capitol.
In his plea deal, Cohen said "in coordination and at the direction of a candidate for federal office," he withheld information about hush money payments to two women from going public that would have hurt the candidate and his campaign.
Cohen was ordered to serve his sentence at the federal prison camp in Otisville, New York. However, in 2020, he was placed under house arrest due to the COVID-19 pandemic. His sentence ended in November 2021.
Since Cohen already found guilty of election interference , evidence presented sure ties Trump into scheme.
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What in the world is that? Are you trying to imply that "misinterpreted" Islamic terrorists and authoritarians use violence to forward liberal agendas or beliefs?
You'll have to explain what point you were trying to make, unless the point was nothing more than strawman arguments.