I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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emtb2rn said:
Well, considering fox news, breitbart, etc are not covering the trials at all, I would expect little to no impact unless a conviction occurs. Assuming they report that....
I think they are letting her off because they are after bigger fish.
This is my opinion as well. They are also getting agreements to testify against Trump and maybe letting them off easy was a deal they were willing to make to go after the bigger fish.
This is my opinion as well. They are also getting agreements to testify against Trump and maybe letting them off easy was a deal they were willing to make to go after the bigger fish.
Of course it was. It's all about getting Trump.
It's mystifying (I say sarcastically) that liberals don't seem to mind the "guilty" parties getting off so easily when supposedly it's such a strong case against them all.
It's mystifying (I say sarcastically) that liberals don't seem to mind the "guilty" parties getting off so easily when supposedly it's such a strong case against them all.
Well thank you Captain Obvious! Flipping conspirators is SOP when going after criminal enterprises like drug gangs and organized crime families. It's not mystifying at all that magadonians would look askance at it when it involves a wealthy fascist and dictator wannabe.
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Beerman said:
Of course it was. It's all about getting Trump.
It's mystifying (I say sarcastically) that liberals don't seem to mind the "guilty" parties getting off so easily when supposedly it's such a strong case against them all.
I'm trying to make sense of this opinion.
Are you trying to say that the case against Powell and Chesebro and Hall is weak and that's why they were able to minimize their personal liability and punishment?
Or are you trying to say that you aren't certain how RICO laws and cases work?
Trump is the head of the criminal enterprise that used people like Chesebro and Powell and Ellis and lots of others to break laws on his behalf. Of course law enforcement and the DOJ should be focused upon stopping law breaking, especially when the law breaking is intended to break our democracy. Don't you agree with that? Or is Trump more important than our constitution and laws?
It's mystifying (I say sarcastically) that liberals don't seem to mind the "guilty" parties getting off so easily when supposedly it's such a strong case against them all.
Yes, it's all about getting Trump. But I also look at it like those the case was strong enough against the three that they knew they were toast so they got a deal to save their own butts.
It is a long standing tried and true technique of investigators to offer plea deals to the minor players in exchange for cooperation and turning states evidence against a bigger criminal. It's not mystifying to me at all. They do this to catch big fish drug dealers, murders, all sorts of things. It may not be right but it's not mystifying to me.
In some cases it is indeed outrageous, like when a rapist pleads "no contest" and gets two years in prison in a plea. I get it.
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Tweety said:
Yes, it's all about getting Trump.
It is a long standing tried and true technique of investigators to offer plea deals to the minor players in exchange for cooperation and turning states evidence against a bigger criminal. It's not mystifying to me at all. They do this to catch big fish drug dealers, murders, all sorts of things. It may not be right but it's not mystifying to me.
What's not "right" about it? What wasn't "right" before the RICO laws was that the bosses walked free while the little guys went to prison for the crimes that they were convinced by the bosses to commit. IMV
What's really mystifying is that the self proclaimed party of law and order and personal responsibility seems very uncomfortable with law and order and responsibility when those things are applied to Trump.
It's mystifying (I say sarcastically) that liberals don't seem to mind the "guilty" parties getting off so easily when supposedly it's such a strong case against them all.
Chesebro and Powell are still uncharged co-conspirators in the DC case, so they aren't completely off the hook. And testimony they give in Georgia can be used against them in DC.
What's not "right" about it? What wasn't "right" before the RICO laws was that the bosses walked free while the little guys went to prison for the crimes that they were convinced by the bosses to commit. IMV
What's really mystifying is that the self proclaimed party of law and order and personal responsibility seems very uncomfortable with law and order and responsibility when those things are applied to Trump.
Some people don't like plea deals because people admit to crimes and get a light sentence. People were outraged with Hunter Biden did this. I was reading about a rapist that got two years in a plea deal. Many times people accuse the system of giving criminals a "slap on the wrist".
Personally, in cases where lesser criminals plea to help get the big guy, I'm not too outraged.
It seems like a big deal to me for a lawyer to admit to breaking the law, especially a felony, whether they get jail time or not.
Most definitely. It's huge. I think the point that Beerman is making that we're not outraged by the light sentence especially if the case against them was so strong.
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Tweety said:
Most definitely. It's huge. I think the point that Beerman is making that we're not outraged by the light sentence especially if the case against them was so strong.
They are convicted and are now compelled to fully cooperate in trials going forward as the State of Georgia seeks to bring the head of that criminal enterprise to justice. I think that Chesebro may be unindicted co- conspirator #5 in Smith's Jan 6th investigation in DC, so he needs to be mindful. I fully expect that the RICO trial will go forward with only a handful of defendants but a number of cooperating witnesses. Soon we will learn whether Meadows will be tried in Georgia, that may determine whether or not he pleads to lesser charges.
Why do you think the plea deals are a talking point for Trump voters? Those admissions of guilt don't make Trump look innocent.
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It will be interesting.
These are perilous times.