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I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can.  My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.  

He's not going away.

Haberman's book is out based on interviews.  I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting.  Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with.  LOL

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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/09/25/trump-dishes-to-his-psychiatrist-00058732

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-lawyers-argue-senate-impeachment-acquittal-means-2020-election-I-rcna121882

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"The United States Senate has previously tried and acquitted President Trump for charges arising from the same course of conduct alleged in the indictment, the impeachment and double jeopardy clauses both bar retrial before this Court and require dismissal," the filing argues.

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The first motion argues that the indictment should be dismissed on various constitutional grounds: First Amendment, double jeopardy and due process. 

The First Amendment embraces and encourages exactly this kind of behavior, and therefore states in the clearest of terms that 'Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances,’” they wrote in the first motion. "The indictment, taken as true, violates this core principle as to each count. Accordingly, the Court should dismiss the indictment in its entirety.”

"The Constitution's plain text, structural principles of separation of powers, our history and tradition, and principles of Double Jeopardy bar the Executive Branch from seeking to re-charge and re-try a President who has already been impeached and acquitted in a trial before the U.S. Senate,” they added.

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In the second motion, Trump lawyer John Lauro argued the indictment should be dismissed because the prosecution failed to actually lay out how Trump violated the four statutes he's charged under.

"The prosecution does not explain how President Trump violated these statutes, beyond simply saying he has while regurgitating the statutory language,” Lauro wrote. "As explained herein, the reason the prosecution employed this tactic is plain — President Trump did not violate the charged statutes, even accepting the prosecution's false allegations as true.”

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The third motion argues the indictment should be dismissed because Trump is being selectively and vindictively prosecuted. 

"This case, urged by Biden when many prosecutors and agents appropriately saw no basis for it, is a straightforward retaliatory response to President Trump's decisions as Commander In Chief in 2020, his exercising his constitutional rights to free speech and to petition for the redress of grievances, and his decision to run for political office,” Lauro wrote.

In the third motion, Lauro also asks U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan to set a hearing date to explore the allegations.

"Here, at minimum, Biden's statements from the White House and leaked accounts of flaws in the underlying investigation require additional fact finding before these arguments can be resolved,” he wrote.

Trump's lawyers want people to believe that Trump's lies about the 2020 election were just part of his official duties as president. Will they be able to convince the jury?

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Trump NY AG  fraud trial ABC News  daily coverage available here.

Trump paid his gag order $15,000 judgment today.  Judge Engoron ruled that Ivanka Trump must testify.

AP:

Donald Trump is set to testify Nov. 6 in civil fraud trial. Daughter Ivanka also will testify
 

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...An appeals court dismissed her as a defendant in the lawsuit in June, saying the claims against her were too old. Ivanka Trump announced in January 2017, ahead of her father's inauguration, that she was stepping away from her job as an executive vice president at the family company, the Trump Organization. She soon became an unpaid senior adviser in the Trump White House. After her father's term ended, she moved to Florida.

Her lawyer, Bennet Moskowitz, told the judge Friday that state lawyers "just don't have jurisdiction over her.” One of Donald Trump's attorneys, Christopher Kise, maintained that state lawyers "just want another free-for-all on another of President Trump's children.”

...the state's lawyers argued that Ivanka Trump was a key participant in some events discussed in the case and remains financially and professionally intertwined with the family business and its leaders.

Engoron sided with the state, citing documents showing that Ivanka Trump continued to have ties to some businesses in New York and still owns Manhattan apartments....

 

 

"The American Civil Liberties Union sued former President Donald Trump or his administration more than 400 times during his tenure in the White House.

But now the ACLU is siding with Trump in the criminal case that charges he conspired to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power — telling a judge that a gag order she's imposed sweeps too broadly in restraining Trump's speech."

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/25/1208409526/trump-gag-order-first-amendment

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https://www.axios.com/2023/10/26/colorado-election-judge-14th-amendment-lawsuit

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A Colorado judge — once again — denied former President Trump's attempt to throw out a lawsuit that would prohibit him from being on the state's 2024 presidential ballot, per a Wednesday court filing.

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In the ruling, Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace denied Trump's argument that Congress should deal with questions regarding his eligibility, per CNN, and wrote that the court holds that states can and have applied Section 3 of the 14th Amendment "pursuant to state statutes without federal enforcement legislation."

Catch up quick: Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which the lawsuit surrounds, says that no one should hold office in the U.S. if they "have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the [U.S.], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

I wonder if Trump will choose to attend these trials, like he attended the NY Civil trial. 

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Bill Bar was a highlight yesterday at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics. Apparently Barr thinks that conservatives are getting conned by a guy who focuses on performance not substance and who has limited verbal skills.    That must make Bill Barr a RINO, right?

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/estates-valuation-included-7-mansions-that-werent-yet-built-103785210?id=103642561

They valued mansions at $20+million each, the mansions hadn't been built yet.  

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When the Trump Organization valued its Seven Springs compound in New York's Westchester County at $261 million, the company included seven mansions, estimated to be worth $23 million each, that had not been built, longtime Trump Organization controller Jeff McConney testified.

In contrast, an appraiser had said Seven Springs was worth $56 million, excluding development rights for the property, which hadn't been awarded.

I bet Trump can effectively gas light his supporters about this, right wing media certainly won't draw attention to the con.  

toomuchbaloney said:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/estates-valuation-included-7-mansions-that-werent-yet-built-103785210?id=103642561

They valued mansions at $20+million each, the mansions hadn't been built yet.  

I bet Trump can effectively gas light his supporters about this, right wing media certainly won't draw attention to the con.  

Who was conned?

The Manhatten DA, like the AG, apparently decided not to file criminal charges.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-westchester-estate-property-value-investigation-d6a128161e52d1cea94d4ffb54d14ef0

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Beerman said:

Who was conned?

The Manhatten DA, like the AG, apparently decided not to file criminal charges.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-westchester-estate-property-value-investigation-d6a128161e52d1cea94d4ffb54d14ef0

The fraudulent valuation of that property is a portion of the current civil case against Trump that is now in the penalty phase. 

toomuchbaloney said:

The fraudulent valuation of that property is a portion of the current civil case against Trump that is now in the penalty phase. 

You still didn't answer.

Who was conned?

 

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Mike Pence just dropped out of Republican presidential race. 

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Beerman said:

You still didn't answer.

Who was conned?

 

You didn't accept the answer to this general question the first time you asked. The answer hasn't changed. 

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Trump took the stand today in New York.  His lawyer says the America people now know the truth because Trump said so.

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"An absolutely brilliant performance by President Trump. He's not backing down. He's told everyone the facts," the Trump attorney said. "Now that the American people know what's going on, maybe something will change."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-demands-jury-says-nyag-has-no-case-heated-testimony

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