I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Who does Trump have? Stephen Miller? That lawyer that looks like Melania? MTG?
That really is a good question because it seems that a good deal of them that served under him won't have anything to do with him now. To me this is as telling as anything.
There are polls that indicate both are unfit to serve. These are valid questions with our elderly politicians, including Pelosi's unwillingness to retire.
Still there are two questions in my head. One is Biden too old? Yes, he should retire in my opinion partly because it's a big issue that is distracting from real issues. I don't think he's proven that he's unfit so I can't say he's unfit. The other question is that if I think he's too old, would I vote for Trump instead? Hell to the no.
I think a vote for Biden is not only a vote against Trump, but it also a vote for Kamala Harris. In her recent interview on Face the Nation she was told about the polls, which I'm sure she's aware of, and she feels she's ready to be President, but that Biden is "fine".
There are polls that indicate both are unfit to serve. These are valid questions with our elderly politicians, including Pelosi's unwillingness to retire.
Still there are two questions in my head. One is Biden too old? Yes, he should retire in my opinion partly because it's a big issue that is distracting from real issues. I don't think he's proven that he's unfit so I can't say he's unfit. The other question is that if I think he's too old, would I vote for Trump instead? Hell to the no.
I think a vote for Biden is not only a vote against Trump, but it also a vote for Kamala Harris. In her recent interview on Face the Nation she was told about the polls, which I'm sure she's aware of, and she feels she's ready to be President, but that Biden is "fine".
Easy to say you'd vote for a unfit Biden over Trump. But, the fact is you and others who say the same would vote for a unfit Biden over any Republican.
I'd have to strongly disagree that a vote for Biden is just as much a vote for Harris as it is a vote against Trump. Is there anyone who thinks Harris is at all competent?
Easy to say you'd vote for a unfit Biden over Trump. But, the fact is you and others who say the same would vote for a unfit Biden over any Republican.
I'd have to strongly disagree that a vote for Biden is just as much a vote for Harris as it is a vote against Trump. Is there anyone who thinks Harris is at all competent?
I never said that I would vote for an unfit Biden over Trump. I said in my post that I didn't think he was unfit. If I thought he was unfit my conscience wouldn't let me vote for him. But you are correct that I wouldn't vote for a Republican. I never have and it's highly unlikely in my lifetime that's likely to change.
We'll disagree that voting for Biden also is an acknowledgement that she might be President one day and people are okay with that idea. I do think that the anti-Trump vote is the stronger motivation.
Yes, I think Mrs. Harris as an insider as close to the Presidency as anyone would be a competent President. I acknowledge her poll numbers are low and a lot of people don't like what she says and does. But I think behind the scenes she's done a lot to support the President and her causes.
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In the final analysis, her political difficulties, and their causes, are nebulous and hard to pin down. Kind of like the vice presidency itself.
"She tends to do more of her work behind the scenes and in things that are just covered less,” Dittmar said. "So when I see she has low favorables, it leads me to believe that in the absence of information of what she is actually doing, people are going to rely on other information put out there about her.”
Even then, Dittmar said, polls won't give an indication of whether Biden will win reelection with Harris as his running mate.
"I'm always like a broken record about this, I don't think that favorability tells us much,” Dittmar said.
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I think that VP H Harris is competent. What a weird idea from the right wing, that Kamala Harris is incompetent. The projection around Trump is serious.
I think that VP H Harris is competent. What a weird idea from the right wing, that Kamala Harris is incompetent. The projection around Trump is serious.
Given her over all low approval ratings I don't find it weird.
I think has the right begins to see her importance in the Democratic Party and the upcoming election we're going to see more criticism.
Here's one from Fox that includes her in a criticism of Bidenomics.
Criticism on policy, actual actions or ideology is one thing, fabricated claims of global incompetence and right wing extrapolated interpretations are quite another matter. It is true that millions of Americans don't bother to consider the difference.
Although he is not my first choice, I would choose Biden over the former guy any day. Biden has competent people around him, which is key to running the government.
Who does Trump have? Stephen Miller? That lawyer that looks like Melania? MTG?
Trump is really no different than other notable authoritarian personalities. It's frightening to me that so many people aren't alarmed by someone who says they rely more on their instincts than what the experts are telling them. I can't think of a historic figure who didn't ultimately fail catastrophically operating under that central delusion.
His opponents can post all they want to advancing the feeble old man narrative. Like you said, Biden has competent people around him, and so did Trump. He mostly fired the competent people on Twitter, while also attacking them with some choice demeaning insults.
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Who does Trump have? Stephen Miller? That lawyer that looks like Melania? MTG?
OK, you stumped me on that one. He's had so many lawyers, which one looks like Melania?
"You have some states that are allowed to kill the child after birth.” He also said specifically, "You have New York state and other places that passed legislation where you're allowed to kill the baby after birth.”
Quote from Donald Trump. I shuddered reading it thinking that people might actually believe this. But no, he's just stupid, people aren't that stupid...right?
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Tweety said:
Quote from Donald Trump. I shuddered reading it thinking that people might actually believe this. But no, he's just stupid, people aren't that stupid...right?
Is it stupidity or gullibility or generalized agitation and anger manipulated by propaganda that causes people to vote for Trump and accept what he says? It's easy to suggest that lots of people were bamboozled in 2016, having no idea that Trump was such an epic and incompetent liar, but that excuse no longer exists.
It doesn't matter if his voters actually believe him because his dishonesty doesn't matter to them. We have seen in these threads that they often don't believe him, when they are forced to confront and consider Trump's actual words, they make excuses then. We have seen in these threads that these voters prefer to NOT watch Trump's interviews, they prefer to NOT read his word salad transcripts. Ignorance is a kind of conservative bliss, when it comes to Trump. Trump's voters depend upon their right wing media to tell them about Trump.
Stupidity is a poor ability to understand or to profit from experience. This isn't 2016. Voters should be demonstrating that they've gained something from the past 8 years experience with Trump and his brand of conservatism. However, the political party of Boebert, Santos and MTG keeps filling the heads of conservative voters with lies and lunacy using the right wing media outlets. Those media consumers are victims. Willing victims, but victims nonetheless. Like all cult members everywhere, they don't know what they don't know and they believe the lies that they've been told. Sometimes their beliefs are so strong that they are willing to engage in violence because of the beliefs.
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nursej22 said:
Alina Habba.
Oh yeah. She's the Trump attorney that told the world that because Trump is so super smart he doesn't need delays for extra time to prepare his defenses in these legal cases. That's right.
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That really is a good question because it seems that a good deal of them that served under him won't have anything to do with him now. To me this is as telling as anything.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/officials-who-criticized-donald-trump/index.html