I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Kind of reminds me of people prior to the election saying if he lost the election it would be fraudulent. Democracy be damned. They are saying they wouldn't believe int he American justice system (which admitted isn't always 100% foolproof).
Personally, I don't think Trump is ever going to jail.
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Ask a MAGA Republican what will happen if former President Donald Trump is convicted in any of his four criminal trials and the answer is almost always the same: civil war.
That answer holds true whether you speak to rank-and-file Republican voters, local elected officials or even former national GOP leaders. It's also an indication that the right-wing politics of grievance is spiraling dangerously out of control.
In Georgia, state Sen. Colton Moore warned politico-turned-podcaster Steve Bannon that any prosecution of Trump would lead to a likely civil war . "I don't want to have to draw my rifle,” Moore said. Concerningly, Moore also seemed to imply that Georgia state troopers would be willing participants in any effort to bust Trump out of jail. That last bit may be fantastical thinking on Moore's part, but he's hardly alone.
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Beerman said:
You're right, it doesn't say one must be convicted. So, who gets to decide if he participated in a insurrection or gave aid and comfort to an enemy? His political opponents?
So, now we're back to Democrats wanting to take it out of the hands of the voters, aren't we?
Funny how this Fourteenth Amendment business never came up until the indictments didn't do as intended.
That's an interesting question. Historically, members of the Judiciary interpret and apply constitutional tests and questions. This question of Trump's eligibility wouldn't be different.
Funny how the 14th amendment never came up until a former president attempted to interfere in the peaceful transfer of power and told lies about election results until his radicalized and angry fans attacked the Capitol and disrupted the congressional joint session formalizing his loss. Funny.
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Tweety said:
Kind of reminds me of people prior to the election saying if he lost the election it would be fraudulent. Democracy be damned. They are saying they wouldn't believe int he American justice system (which admitted isn't always 100% foolproof).
Personally, I don't think Trump is ever going to jail.
It's like these people believe that the prosecutors should stop because of the threat of violence. It will all just be better if we ignore evidence of crimes because of threats of violence. It sounds like one big crime family.
It's easy to be skeptical about our legal system holding wealthy powerful white men accountable in meaningful ways.
There are plenty of legal experts who disagree he participated in an insurrection or aided an enemy.
I'd be interested in knowing what experts you're talking about. While I'm gratified that a couple of strict originalists agree with me, it is what I want to hear, after all. The tricky bit about "experts", it's awfully hard to asses reliability when I don't practice in their area.
Plus, you wrote that the indictments didn't "do as intended" ... what is your take on what was intended?
Disqualifying Trump from holding public office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment is an example of democracy-limiting measures that help preserve democracy.
In Greene v. Raffensperger, the Eleventh Circuit considered whether Georgia can adjudicate a challenge brought by voters alleging that Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene is not constitutionally qualified to hold office under Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment.
A judge ruled Greene was eligible to run for reelection last year, saying that the group that filed the lawsuit citing the amendment did not produce sufficient evidence that Greene's actions before, during and after the attacks on the Capitol helped an insurrection that violated the Constitution
Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold said she has been talking to other secretaries about it.
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Raffensperger wrote an op-ED Wednesday in The Wall Street Journal saying he did not have the authority to use the 14th Amendment to block Trump from the ballot — and suggesting it would be unwise for election officials elsewhere to do so.
"Georgia law contemplates a legal process that must take place before anyone is removed from the ballot,” he wrote. "Anyone who believes in democracy must let the voters decide.”
Court cases and History will tell us how this part of the constitution can be implimented/enforced as important part of our DEMOCRACY: CItizens electoral votes choose our elected officials.
Out of morbid curiosity, I watched Meet the Press this morning, as Kristen Welker attempted to interview the former guy. It went as I expected, with him evading questions, lying, and interrupting her. The full interview, with fact-checking, here:
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Tired while giving Friday night speech at Washington DC Pray Vote Stand Summit.... or cognitive impairment "word salad" after saying he ran against Obama and Biden could lead us to World War II with Russia.
Trumps Thursday interview with Kristen Welker showed he was not as sharp as before, tripped himself up admitting that he challenged the 2020 election, despite top administration officials and lawyers advising him that there was no evidence of fraud. Asked why he ignored them, he said: "I didn't respect them as lawyers." Kristen pushed back "but you hired them". He added that he did not listen to campaign attorneys because those lawyers were "RINOs,” He accepted the suggestions given to him from other outside attorneys, but the ultimate decision was his: "I listened to myself. I saw what happened... my instincts are a big part of it, that's been the thing that's gotten me to where I am". Thus, it will be difficult for his current attorneys to say he was depending on legal counsel in Federal January 6th lawsuit brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith.
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NRSKarenRN said:
Tired while giving Friday night speech at Washington DC Pray Vote Stand Summit.... or cognitive impairment "word salad" after saying he ran against Obama and Biden could lead us to World War II with Russia.
Trumps Thursday interview with Kristen Welker showed he was not as sharp as before, tripped himself up admitting that he challenged the 2020 election, despite top administration officials and lawyers advising him that there was no evidence of fraud. Asked why he ignored them, he said: "I didn't respect them as lawyers." Kristen pushed back "but you hired them". He added that he did not listen to campaign attorneys because those lawyers were "RINOs,” He accepted the suggestions given to him from other outside attorneys, but the ultimate decision was his: "I listened to myself. I saw what happened... my instincts are a big part of it, that's been the thing that's gotten me to where I am". Thus, it will be difficult for his current attorneys to say he was depending on legal counsel in Federal January 6th lawsuit brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith.
Trump is delusional. He is mentally ill and unable to acknowledge or admit reality as related to his electoral loss. The media wants us to worry about Biden when THAT is the cognitive capacity of the GOP front runner. Propaganda works.
Trump is delusional. He is mentally ill and unable to acknowledge or admit reality as related to his electoral loss. The media wants us to worry about Biden when THAT is the cognitive capacity of the GOP front runner. Propaganda works.
It's not propaganda. It's what most can see with their own eyes.
Just to clarify, you are one of the 36% who think Biden in mentally fit for another term?
Yep. I think that Biden is old but he is effective, surrounded by competent professionals who seem to be staying out of trouble, and Biden is a much safer choice than the GOP candidates who ignore Trump's corruption and toy with the idea of pardoning people who would set aside our constitution to pursue authoritarian temptations. Biden's mental competence questions are primarily a projection from Trump's team than gets elevated by media to balance the reality that Trump is a mess.
Trump is delusional. He doesn't know fact from fiction. There's video.
Although he is not my first choice, I would choose Biden over the former guy any day. Biden has competent people around him, which is key to running the government.
Who does Trump have? Stephen Miller? That lawyer that looks like Melania? MTG?
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Kind of reminds me of people prior to the election saying if he lost the election it would be fraudulent. Democracy be damned. They are saying they wouldn't believe int he American justice system (which admitted isn't always 100% foolproof).
Personally, I don't think Trump is ever going to jail.
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