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I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
Quote“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/09/25/trump-dishes-to-his-psychiatrist-00058732
LeBron James on X supporting Kamala Harris -video is powerful,
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What are we even talking about here? When I think about my kids and my family and how they will grow up, the choice is clear to me. VOTE KAMALA HARRIS!
https://x.com/KingJames/status/1852093996350275595
nursel56 said:Sorry to barge in here, but why do you think that? It seems to me there are a great many people trying to tell the world at large what "Trump really meant was..." followed by something approaching acceptable discourse. Usually the explanations don't match each other. This happens every time he speaks his violent fantasies right out loud.
What he said was incredibly stupid. However it had context. Just like " Biden's "put Trump in a bullseye " comment.
Is calling Trump an "existential treat that needs to be eliminated " acceptable discourse ? Or calling him "Hitler, nazi, dictator" out to " force pregnancy" on women and "put people in concentration camps"? Or having Biden say " hed take him behind the bleachers and beat the hell put of him" and most recently calling Trump supporters"garbage"?
You think none of that had to do with the 2 assassination attempts in less than 9 weeks?
In context it was refering to the Cheney's affinity for war. Perhaps if she experienced what the people who are effected by these wars, which includes having guns pointed in their face and worse, her and her dad might not be so eager to create or participate in wars?
NRSKarenRN said:LeBron James on X supporting Kamala Harris -video is powerful,
LOL...."how his kids will grow up"?
Rofl....ome of his kids is on the LA Lakers ONLY because of his daddy. What does LeBron, who has been in the NBA since he was 18, twenty something years ago, know about how any of us live?
https://san.com/cc/controversy-follows-trump-comments-on-training-guns-on-war-hawk-liz-cheney/
QuoteI don't blame him for sticking with his daughter, but his daughter is a very dumb individual,” Trump said. "She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? Let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face.”
Trump added, "You know they're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying gee, well let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy.”
Beerman said:LOL...."how his kids will grow up"?
Rofl....ome of his kids is on the LA Lakers ONLY because of his daddy. What does LeBron, who has been in the NBA since he was 18, twenty something years ago, know about how any of us live?
What does Donald Trump know about how any of us live?
The republican presidential candidate has terrible judgement as seem in Milwaukee.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1852543627534414086
What kind of a weird closing argument is this?
Crusades said:What he said was incredibly stupid. However it had context. Just like " Biden's "put Trump in a bullseye " comment.
Is calling Trump an "existential treat that needs to be eliminated " acceptable discourse ? Or calling him "Hitler, nazi, dictator" out to " force pregnancy" on women and "put people in concentration camps"? Or having Biden say " hed take him behind the bleachers and beat the hell put of him" and most recently calling Trump supporters"garbage"?
You think none of that had to do with the 2 assassination attempts in less than 9 weeks?
In context it was refering to the Cheney's affinity for war. Perhaps if she experienced what the people who are effected by these wars, which includes having guns pointed in their face and worse, her and her dad might not be so eager to create or participate in wars?
QuoteIs calling Trump an "existential treat that needs to be eliminated " acceptable discourse ? Or calling him "Hitler, nazi, dictator" out to " force pregnancy" on women and "put people in concentration camps"? Or having Biden say " hed take him behind the bleachers and beat the hell put of him" and most recently calling Trump supporters"garbage"?
I don't know enough specifics on the above comments to compare them to the specific statement Trump made about Liz Cheney.
QuoteIn context it was refering to the Cheney's affinity for war. Perhaps if she experienced what the people who are effected by these wars, which includes having guns pointed in their face and worse, her and her dad might not be so eager to create or participate in wars?
No, I don't think someone's policy choices regarding the proposed role of the military in a conflict outside our borders have anything to do with whether or not they are able to vividly imagine their own violent demise.
Is Liz Cheney eager to start a war, participate in war for it's own sake rather than as a tool the US might or might not use to achieve our objectives in a hypothetical conflict? That's what Trump is alluding to there, and I think it's unfair. Sure it's fair to say it when referring to a specific military action, for example when Barry Goldwater was tagged that way by Lyndon Johnson in 1964 re the Vietnam War.
I do appreciate you taking the time to reply. Lastly, I do believe Trump's rhetoric is different, in the way he seems to relish the idea not merely achieving policy objectives through the use of force, but of literally visualizing the pain they will experience.
nursel56 said:
No, I don't think someone's policy choices regarding the proposed role of the military in a conflict outside our borders have anything to do with whether or not they are able to vividly imagine their own violent demise.
Agreed. I don't think so either but in the context of what Trump said, she may feel differently about the war she supports if she lived it. Especially her dad who was a key influence in the Afghan War. Trump wasn't refering to her demise but more of how she would feel if she was the person living through a war.
I do appreciate you taking the time to reply. Lastly, I do believe Trump's rhetoric is different, in the way he seems to relish the idea not merely achieving policy objectives through the use of force, but of literally visualizing the pain they will experience.
Thank you for your polite reply. I'm interested on how you have come to this conclusion that he relished use of force and enjoys visualizing pain?
I obviously do not agree but I'm interested in why you think so.
QuoteHe's campaigned with men who use sexist and crude language. He's expressed alarm at the idea that wives might vote differently from their husbands.
And the former Republican president has suggested that Democrat Kamala Harris, who is trying to become the first woman to win the White House, would get "overwhelmed" and "melt down" facing male authoritarian leaders he considers tough.
In the final days of his campaign, Trump has stuck to a gendered worldview that his critics consider dated and paternalistic, even as he acknowledges that some of that language has gotten him "into so much trouble" with a crucial group of voters.
Trump and some of his most prominent allies have peddled outright sexism.
Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, at an event with the Republican presidential nominee, likened Trump to an angry father providing tough love to a "bad little girl" who, as Carlson put it, was "in need of a vigorous spanking.”
Trumps mental illness and dementia prevent him from nuanced messaging at this point. He is unfit for office.
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Sorry to barge in here, but why do you think that? It seems to me there are a great many people trying to tell the world at large what "Trump really meant was..." followed by something approaching acceptable discourse. Usually the explanations don't match each other. This happens every time he speaks his violent fantasies right out loud.