I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Usually when charges or impending charges are happening the person says "I'm innocent of all charges, and I look forward to my day in court to prove it". But instead Trump is going after the department, convincing people of fraud, further eroding established long-held democratic process. I'm no alarmist but it does concern me that people want to hand the country over to a man that touts election fraud and doesn't believe in Democracy.
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"You don't bring cases like this because somebody wants you to, you only act when you've got the evidence you need to be confident you will convict," Schwendiman said in describing Smith's thinking. "And you don't go after the king unless you're ready to do whatever it takes to do it, and to do it right.”
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Former President Donald J. Trump indicted on FOUR COUNTS of election interference in the 2020 Presidential Election in which he lost-- and knew he lost. spreading lies that he had won for over 2 months post the election leading to the January 6th, 2021 assault on the Capital.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States;
Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding;
Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding
Conspiracy against rights.
The indictment also includes mention of six unnamed and unindicted co-conspirators: 4 attorneys, 1 Justice Department official, and a political consultant.
Per Special Counsel Jack Smith, your invited to read the indictment here.
Trump summoned to appear in court on Thursday 8/3/23 in Washington, DC.
The indictment of former President Donald J. Trump mentions — but does not identify by name — six co-conspirators who prosecutors say worked with him in seeking to overturn the 2020 election.
It is not clear why the office of the special counsel, Jack Smith, decided to seek only Mr. Trump's indictment for now, though it is possible that some of the co-conspirators could still face charges in the weeks ahead.
Here is how the indictment describes those conspirators. The identities of the co-conspirators could not immediately be determined, but the descriptions of them appear to match up with a number of people who were central to the investigation into election tampering conducted by prosecutors working for Mr. Smith.
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toomuchbaloney said:
6 co-conspirators.
Giuliani?
Powell?
Eastman?
Clark?
Who else?
Per reading inditement and news coverage
Co-consiprator 1: Rudy Giuliani " attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not."
Co-conspirator 2: John Eastman "an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President's ceremonial role overseeing the certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election."
Co-conspirator 3: Sidney Powell "an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." "Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's disinformation,"
Co-conspirator 4: Jeffrey Clark "a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.”
Co-conspirator 5: Ken Chesebro - an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.”
Co-conspirator 6: possibly Boris Epshteyn? "a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.” Ties consultant to Pennsylvania's fake elector slate -- he admitted involement on Ari's MSNBC show.
News links Trump indictment: Who are the 'Co-Conspirators'?
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Per reading inditement and news coverage
Co-consiprator 1: Rudy Giuliani " attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not."
Co-conspirator 2: John Eastman "an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President's ceremonial role overseeing the certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election."
Co-conspirator 3: Sidney Powell "an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." "Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's disinformation,"
Co-conspirator 4: Jeffrey Clark "a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.”
Co-conspirator 5: Ken Chesebro - an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.”
Co-conspirator 6: possibly Boris Epshteyn? "a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.” Ties consultant to Pennsylvania's fake elector slate -- he admitted involement on Ari's MSNBC show.
News links Trump indictment: Who are the 'Co-Conspirators'?
The indictment quotes that co-conspirator as saying something about the crazy $#/× flowing from the mothership. I feel like I remember someone like Bannon saying that, at the time.
Barr, who served under the Trump administration, said initially he was not sure if Trump believed he lost the election but has "come to believe he knew well that he lost the election.”
U.S. prosecutors flagged a threatening social media post from Donald Trump in a late-night court filing on Friday, arguing that it suggests he might intimidate witnesses by improperly disclosing confidential evidence received from the government.
On his Truth Social site, the former president wrote, "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!" on Friday afternoon, a day after he pleaded not guilty to charges that he orchestrated a criminal conspiracy to try to reverse his 2020 election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.
How can anyone think that this fellow should be anywhere near the presidency. It's like he has no common sense and no self control.
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Usually when charges or impending charges are happening the person says "I'm innocent of all charges, and I look forward to my day in court to prove it". But instead Trump is going after the department, convincing people of fraud, further eroding established long-held democratic process. I'm no alarmist but it does concern me that people want to hand the country over to a man that touts election fraud and doesn't believe in Democracy.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/28/trump-indictment-up-next-for-special-counsel-jack-smith-but-when/70424894007/