I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
My news junkie best friend used the word "incoherent...like a pysch patient, no joke" when talking about Trump's interview on Fox last night. Even Fox used the word "incoherent" as well.
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Tweety said:
My news junkie best friend used the word "incoherent...like a pysch patient, no joke" when talking about Trump's interview on Fox last night. Even Fox used the word "incoherent" as well.
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Tweety said:
I expect nothing but this from you, Trump thread or not.
Well good, I didn't stray from my personal style. Trump is a symptom of a serious illness in our political conversation and the illness is spreading rapidly.
My news junkie best friend used the word "incoherent...like a pysch patient, no joke" when talking about Trump's interview on Fox last night. Even Fox used the word "incoherent" as well.
I've heard this possible defense floated about by others in a more articulate manner before the interview. He won't be the one presenting it in court if thats what they go with. Not sure why he's going on TV presenting it now. Certainly isn't helping him.
Britt Hume is a pretty good analyst and isn't shy about criticizing Republicans and Trump. So, "even Fox" saying he was incoherent isn't surprising.
I guess Fox only gets credit for such things when Joe Scarborough points it out.
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Beerman said:
I've heard this possible defense floated about by others in a more articulate manner before the interview. He won't be the one presenting it in court if thats what they go with. Not sure why he's going on TV presenting it now. Certainly isn't helping him.
Britt Hume is a pretty good analyst and isn't shy about criticizing Republicans and Trump. So, "even Fox" saying he was incoherent isn't surprising.
I guess Fox only gets credit for such things when Joe Scarborough points it out.
Or, maybe Fox gets credit for not throwing Trump another Hannity level softball "interview" and allowing their remaining viewers to watch Trump struggle and lie when asked real questions by a journalist.
I've heard this possible defense floated about by others in a more articulate manner before the interview. He won't be the one presenting it in court if thats what they go with. Not sure why he's going on TV presenting it now. Certainly isn't helping him.
Britt Hume is a pretty good analyst and isn't shy about criticizing Republicans and Trump. So, "even Fox" saying he was incoherent isn't surprising.
I guess Fox only gets credit for such things when Joe Scarborough points it out.
I'm the one that said it was "even Fox". I stand corrected, it was a commentator on Fox News using the word incoherent like my friend did. But yes Hume is no Hannity or any of the Five at Five that seem loathe to criticize Trump. My point was that it was on Fox News.
But now they have another focus. But since this is Trump tread:
In other Trump and Fox News, Trump criticizes the Hunter Biden guilty plea, whining about the double standard that if it were one of his children they would have gotten "hundreds of years"
As Trump seeks a second term while fighting federal charges, the nation faces the prospects of another campaign riddled with falsehoods and misinformation, and the not-impossible outcome that such a well-documented purveyor like Trump could be returned to the White House by an electorate that either believes his falsehoods, or doesn't care.
Is it an even split between those who believe the lies and those who don't care?
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As a candidate, Trump made misinformation a major campaign tactic, routinely using falsehoods to demean his rivals, as he did when he bizarrely asserted that Ted Cruz's father may have played a role in the Kennedy assasination. Cruz is now an unapologetic Trump supporter.
As a president, Trump misled Americans about economic indicators, about a hurricane, about climate change and about his past actions and meetings with foreign leaders. While leading the nation through the pandemic he underplayed the severity of coronavirus while endorsing fake cures.
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It was Trump's lies about democracy, and about the integrity of elections and the courts, that worry experts on voting, politics and history the most.
"It's not the first step, it's the 100th step on the road to despotism,” Jeffrey Engel, director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University, said of Trump's attacks on judicial independence and law enforcement. "What's shocking to me is how open Trump is about it.”
So many republican voters are so very hesitant to step away from and condemn Trump's dangerous rhetoric.
Is it an even split between those who believe the lies and those who don't care?
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I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, based on this article. In my opinionion, I am glad that you have dropped the pretense that you're just talking about MAGA Republicans or Trump supporters and not all Republicans or conservatives.
toomuchbaloney said:
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So many republican voters are so very hesitant to step away from and condemn Trump's dangerous rhetoric.
And yet, there is a growing number that have; if you are willing to look or accept it when you see it. Apparently, however, that doesn't fit your view of either Conservatives or Republicans.
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chare said:
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, based on this article. In my opinionion, I am glad that you have dropped the pretense that you're just talking about MAGA Republicans or Trump supporters and not all Republicans or conservatives.
And yet, there is a growing number that have; if you are willing to look or accept it when you see it. Apparently, however, that doesn't fit your view of either Conservatives or Republicans.
I don't understand how you quote a question and call it a conclusion.
Yes, so very many have stepped away from Trump, as evidenced by the losing trend. Have they stepped away from Trumpism? I hope so. The pardon talk by the other candidates is discouraging. The actions and rhetoric in the House majority is very attached to Trumpism if not Trump himself is troublesome, IMV. Quite a number of state houses have embraced Trumpism, it seems. That adds up to reflect the opinion of lots of people, right?
I believe that Trump drowned Republican conservatism in a relatively small pool of grievance driven politics. I believe that lots of everyday conservatives, who consume a variety of media views and voices, are beginning to question the priorities and motivations of national party representation and leadership. I think there's struggle about how these actual conservatives should/will define and market their political voice. What comes next for our two party system is really a topic of another thread.
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I expect nothing but this from you, Trump thread or not.