Published Aug 16, 2014
studentmalenurse
46 Posts
And the real reason is not because your not smart. Its not because nursing is hard. As a nurse I have seen the pattern, 40 students enter and only 10 graduate. Do you know why? The real reasons why is because of money. Yes MONEY!... Look at the cycle, people failing nursing programs for silly reasons, nursing programs creating exit exams that are unfair and the state boards knows about it. Well people the state boards of nursing and the schools are all part of the reason why so many people fail nursing school. And the reason is all about money. HERE is the FACT... Nurses get paid good money almost 65 to 75k to start, nurses are in demand, So what happens when something is not in demand anymore? The value goes down. People see the amount nurses make, they go to the school, if plenty people pass and graduate, that will throw more nurses into the work field, which will cause the nurses pay to go down, If the nurses pay goes down , guess what happens?? Fewer admissions into the nursing program. Thats right its a cycle, thats the reason why nursing school is getting harder and harder. To keep nursing pay up and to keep people entering nursing programs, the school benefits where poor people who invest their hard earned money into the program suffer. So believe it, its not you. This is the reason why unfair nursing instructers still remain. Shame on nursing.
tsm007
675 Posts
Curious where you get most of your facts. I have never seen a school with only 10 out of 40 graduating and I am pretty darn sure that the 65-75K is not the starting pay most places. I can list plenty of reasons people have trouble with nursing school besides your reasons.
RookieRoo
234 Posts
"the real reason your failing nursing school" ....is because you can't spell "you're".
BertG77
134 Posts
I'm sorry but your argument doesn't make any sense. You fail to make the connection between the difficulty of getting through nursing school and a person's economic status. Are you saying that "poor" people are inherently incapable of succeeding academically? Is this an obvious fact?The argument could be made that "poor" people lack resources and therefore opportunities, but there are still plenty of instances of some statistically "poor" people achieving their goals in school. As a returning student, who was raised with my siblings by a single mom, and who worked to live since high school, I'm proof that a "poor" person can succeed in school.
conservativeprof
4 Posts
My students fail because they are a danger to themselves and the public.
Madras
270 Posts
Ahhhhhhh so many things to address here. This is a jumble of MANY different factors.... Money, politics, education etc.
Some things I agree with, some things are just poppycock!!! I'll be back when I get a hold of my desktop !
NurseGirl525, ASN, RN
3,663 Posts
This makes no sense. Eventually, the for profit schools will go under. But that is a separate story entirely. Most schools have great NCLEX pass rates or they would not be accredited. Plus, most schools have had their nursing programs for years. Before the "nursing shortage". I don't see the point here.
enuf_already
789 Posts
OP I agree with tsm007. Not sure where you are getting your "facts." In my area of the country, nurses do not start at 65k plus per year. It takes many years of experience or a lot of overtime to reach that pay.
Why is there often some conspiracy theory attached to rationalize why people don't make it through nursing school? People fail for multiple reasons and some of these people likely should have never pursued nursing as a career. I'm not saying this to be mean. I would have loved to have been a professional singer but I can't sing (and I know it). I wisely chose not to pursue music as a career even though it was my dream.
smf0903
845 Posts
Well, isn't this an interesting thread Our school has never had entrance or exit exams and historically has a 25-30% graduation rate (that's graduating on time, not bumping down to part time or having to repeat a class). Until this year our school had a 95%+ first time pass rate for nclex. I don't know of any facility around here that starts nurses out anywhere near the figures you're citing.
I will tell you what I've observed at our school: I would be confident in saying that at least half of the people who fail our nursing program do so because they want a passing grade for little-to-no work/effort. Of the rest of that 50%, some have life circumstances which get in the way of them finishing out the program, some decided that nursing is not what they want to do, and others just never are able to either grasp the material or learn how to manage the exams.
I don't know about you, but I am glad that half of the people who start out in the programs don't make it through. How scared I would be if I looked up from a gurney and saw some of those faces staring down at me
NICU Guy, BSN, RN
4,161 Posts
I can't imagine a school that has a 25% pass rate (10 out of 40) and they still have students wanting to go there.
65-75K starting pay....where?
"Nurses are in demand" Then how do you explain the 50% unemployment rate for nurses in California or the endless threads of new grads not finding jobs? If there is an oversupply of nurses, then wages should go down, but according to you they are paying 65-75K starting.
Sooo if I don't study and put in the effort to pass my classes, it is not my fault, it is the system that is causing me not to make through nursing school. Blame everyone else, but yourself.
According to your past threads, you had the same argument 7 years ago when you failed out of RN school, that it was the systems fault not your's.
PacoUSA, BSN, RN
3,445 Posts
Or "instructors" ... i.e., "This is the reason why unfair nursing instructers still remain."
OP, don't blame the "instructer" ... blame the students for not doing their due diligence to attend a more reputable nursing school.
The NYC area and Northern California for sure. Although I dare say, these starting rates are on the low end. Most new grads in these areas are starting out at a minimum $82K.
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monkeyhq
242 Posts
I put this one right up there with The Moon Landing Was Faked, The Holocaust Never Happened, Bigfoot is Real, and The Attacks of September 2001 Were Stagged.