I am sure many people have heard of the social issue/ cause "school to prison pipeline" that many civic groups are trying to eradicate. I am here to draw attention to a similar related problem , the college to welfare pipeline.
Due to an intricate , intimate, and covert relationship between big government politicos, higher education, Bureau of Occupational affairs, and the Federal/ State Department of labor, we have a serious student debt problem in the nursing field that is only going to get worse. Nurses need to wake up and take note of the LPN to RN hoax, and the RN-BSN hoax. These are all well publicized , propaganda driven falsities that are crushing nurses into debt driven higher education requirements. These propaganda driven requirements brainwash nurses into believing that without the extra education, they will not be employed.
And to a certain degree, they are correct, but its important for nurses to see the pitfall, before taking the dive. There is little to no difference in responsibility or pay rate from LPN to RN, and most RNs are taking the lower wage, just to have a job. There is zero difference in job responsibility or pay from RN to BSN, but the dollars spent to get there are substantial. The RN to BSN pipeline is a grotesque narrative that is being sung, for the sole purpose of enriching nursing schools. The NCLEX exam is identical for RNs and BSNs, the scope of practice is identical, and so are all the pay rates. A staff nurse is a staff nurse, is a staff nurse, too.
So why go for your BSN? Its because the hospitals and other various 24/ 7 institutional care providers say so. They have all built a united wall against the ADN RN. We are becoming an extinct species, because no one will hire us. Is the BSN a job guarantee? Of course not. Is any higher education a job guarantee? Nope. Big government politicos want student debt to skyrocket , so that they can fly in and save everyone with free bailouts, loan forgiveness, and thousands of more votes on election day.
May the buyer beware, until that utopia comes to fruition. In the meantime, take a serious look inward into the pitfalls, tricks and traps of higher education in the nursing field. The powers that be want you to keep jumping hurdles , spending more and more money, hoping to get hired, and falling deeper and deeper into debt, during the process. The higher you jump, the more you spend, and the less you earn. For many nurses who fell for these schemes, the financial devastation has been both swift and severe.
Just wanted to chime in on the fact that there does seem to be a surplus in PA.
As a new grad myself, I find it extremely disturbing that having a degree in another field counts for nothing.
Second career RN's have never gotten any credit for their previous work experience. Some of your previous degree classes might count towards the BSN, but that is it
Why should it, really? Having been a teacher or a computer programmer does not predict success as a nurse.
My account is not new. I joined in 2016. I have no agenda. You're taking it personal, not sure why. I don't even remember responding to you anyway. Lol.
I came back on here because I was having trouble finding a job in PA ironically. It's just not a state that has a shortage. It is what it is. Have a nice day. ?
Specializes in Nursing Education, Public Health, Medical Policy.
On 5/24/2019 at 12:48 PM, Nurse Magnolia said:
Please do not let the negative nellie's of this thread scare you off. For every person here posting, there are many many more that are too busy enjoying their careers to be here whining. I was where you were a few years ago. I came here, I read, and they scared the bejeesus out of me. I thought EVERYONE hates their job and EVERYONE is treated terribly, etc....It sidetracked me for a good 5 years before I decided that what I was seeing and hearing from my nurse friends was not what I was seeing and hearing here. So I went for it. At 45 years old, I went to nursing school, graduated with honors at 47 years old and had a job waiting for me 6 months prior to graduation. I didn't know anyone who helped me get the job. I just applied and interviewed and was hired just like everyone else. Had I listened to those that told me that with a diploma I'd never get hired, I wouldn't be here now. Diploma grads in my neck of the woods are actually highly sought after because we get more clinical time than any other program.
I am in the same state as the OP but have not had the experience she describes, nor have any of my classmates. Even just across the state, things can be very different.
I don't start my first job until June, so I can't comment on the administration issues etc, but I will say that in my 1200 + clinical hours and working with many different nurses and administrators along the way, I have not heard the complaints that are in this thread.
I encourage you to follow your dreams, but also verify that the jobs will be available in your area. Many places in the country are not like the OP describes at ALL.
LOVE this post!! Attitude is a big part of having a successful and fulfilling leitmotif life
Well, my degree is in biology and it absolutely should count.
Just a quick review of the previous pages of this discussion will turn up a myriad of reasons why this whole moving of the goalpost is a racket.
I'll still get the stupid BSN. At least now I'm informed and won't break my neck (or pockets) to get a master's.
What specific nursing courses would a biology course apply to? Biology is NOT nursing. It's helpful but that's about it. No, you shouldn't have to take the general ed courses again but those are the only ones to be transferred to BSN. I had a degree in art history and pre-med but didn't expect to get 120 credits transferred to my nursing major.
I have to disagree, there isn't "zero difference in RN to BSN pay". Yes there is. My hospital is proof of that. It is about a $5/hour difference. Also, several high paying hospitals in my area prefer BSN nurses over ADN. Not every place. But some. You DO increase your pay and chance of getting the job you want with a BSN.
I have to disagree, there isn't "zero difference in RN to BSN pay". Yes there is. My hospital is proof of that. It is about a $5/hour difference. Also, several high paying hospitals in my area prefer BSN nurses over ADN. Not every place. But some. You DO increase your pay and chance of getting the job you want with a BSN.
Yeah. I'm gonna enroll. I'm all for increasing my opportunity. Once I finish the program I'll be in a better position to say whether it was worth it or not. And whether I actually learned anything from it. I'm just glad that there are at least affordable options and employers willing to offer tuition reimbursement.
My plan is to hopefully travel once I get experience and I don't want being a diploma nurse with a BS to limit me.
I have to disagree, there isn't "zero difference in RN to BSN pay". Yes there is. My hospital is proof of that. It is about a $5/hour difference. Also, several high paying hospitals in my area prefer BSN nurses over ADN. Not every place. But some. You DO increase your pay and chance of getting the job you want with a BSN.
It varies. In my area, they don't pay any difference, never have. And out of the 4 area hospitals, 2 take BSN only now because of Magnet. It varies by area. Educate yourself to give yourself the best chance possible. Good luck!
I have to disagree, there isn't "zero difference in RN to BSN pay". Yes there is. My hospital is proof of that. It is about a $5/hour difference. Also, several high paying hospitals in my area prefer BSN nurses over ADN. Not every place. But some. You DO increase your pay and chance of getting the job you want with a BSN.
But that's not the case everywhere. I'd say that's probably the exception rather than the norm. Where I live there is zero difference in pay between ADN and BSN prepared nurses. That BSN might open up a few more opportunities but it won't get you any more money. What I hear most places that do offer a differential for a BSN it's nowhere near $5.00/hr
I noticed you did this in another thread. You keep posting within the quoted material you are wanting to address. You need to post your response after the quoted material, which has a vertical line running alongside it. You need to scroll down past that before you begin posting, so that it is clear which are your words and which are those of the quoted poster.
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Just wanted to chime in on the fact that there does seem to be a surplus in PA.
As a new grad myself, I find it extremely disturbing that having a degree in another field counts for nothing.