The election 2024 Thread

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I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

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Crusades said:

I guess the American people will decide if he is "unfit" in the election.  

You're long ago anecdotal experience does not qualify as a diagnosis. No matter how much you feel it does. 

I'm not saying he's not Only that there is no evidence to support your speculation.  

Wrong ... and, for the record, I don't believe for a minute that you're a nurse, for all the jargon you've picked up along the way. If you were, you'd know the difference between normal aging and serious mental illness. That's OK ... AN is inclusive that way.

The point being that this particular schtick isn't working. When it comes to recognizing concerning symptoms, you simply don't know what you're talking about.

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Crusades said:

I guess the American people will decide if he is "unfit" in the election.  

You're long ago anecdotal experience does not qualify as a diagnosis. No matter how much you feel it does. 

I'm not saying he's not Only that there is no evidence to support your speculation.  

There's lots of evidence.  Why can't you see it? 

Crusades said:

I guess the American people will decide if he is "unfit" in the election.  

You're long ago anecdotal experience does not qualify as a diagnosis. No matter how much you feel it does. 

I'm not saying he's not Only that there is no evidence to support your speculation.  

Yep.  Some said the same about him the last go around.  Then, I guess his mental illness went away for awhile.  Then, all of sudden overnight Biden became cognitively unfit to run again (but somehow still fit to serve the rest his term).  Now, Trump's mental illness is back.

 

heron said:

Wrong ... and, for the record, I don't believe for a minute that you're a nurse, for all the jargon you've picked up along the way. If you were, you'd know the difference between normal aging and serious mental illness. That's OK ... AN is inclusive that way.

The point being that this particular schtick isn't working. When it comes to recognizing concerning symptoms, you simply don't know what you're talking about.

I'm a nurse.  And I know you shouldn't label someone mentally ill unless you're a professional trained to diagnose such a thing.  

 

 

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Crusades said:

Yes. Just like the bias jury that conviced him, you are bias. The court refused to have the trial in a differnt jurisdiction.  I wonder why?

Do you suppose some of the jury in the upcoming trials will already be convinced of his guilt without seeing the evidence? Just like you? 

Of course I'm biased. I've followed Trump's shenanigans for years, and as far as I'm concerned, he has no redeeming values. But I'm not in the jury pool. 
Trial juries are screened by lawyers on each side and it is their responsibility to screen for bias. Do you think the Trump lawyers were so incompetent as to allow a biased jury to be sat? If a potential jury member feels they cannot judge the case without prejudice, it is their civic duty to speak up. Do you think so little of your fellow citizens to believe they would lie their way onto a jury?

 

nursej22 said:

Of course I'm biased. I've followed Trump's shenanigans for years, and as far as I'm concerned, he has no redeeming values. But I'm not in the jury pool. 
Trial juries are screened by lawyers on each side and it is their responsibility to screen for bias. Do you think the Trump lawyers were so incompetent as to allow a biased jury to be sat? If a potential jury member feels they cannot judge the case without prejudice, it is their civic duty to speak up. Do you think so little of your fellow citizens to believe they would lie their way onto a jury?

 

Not speaking about this case specifically as I haven't been following.

But, lawyers sometimes try to get a trial moved or object to it being moved because they think the pool of jurists will or will not favor them.

During jury selection,  each side usually has a limited number of times they dismiss a jurist.

And, as someone who once worked within the court system I know people do lie to get on or off a jury.

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heron said:

Wrong ... and, for the record, I don't believe for a minute that you're a nurse, for all the jargon you've picked up along the way. If you were, you'd know the difference between normal aging and serious mental illness. That's OK ... AN is inclusive that way.

The point being that this particular schtick isn't working. When it comes to recognizing concerning symptoms, you simply don't know what you're talking about.

Am I supposed to care about what you think my credentials are? LOL

It demonstrates the general theme of your posts. I which I usually do not reply. 

Hyperbolic inflated nonsensical claims in which can never be proven about a person you have never met. Excuse me if I do not take your speculations seriously.  

Thinking ones opinion and feeling is facts or evidence because one says so, is a symptom of narcissism.  

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nursej22 said:

Of course I'm biased. I've followed Trump's shenanigans for years, and as far as I'm concerned, he has no redeeming values. But I'm not in the jury pool. 
Trial juries are screened by lawyers on each side and it is their responsibility to screen for bias. Do you think the Trump lawyers were so incompetent as to allow a biased jury to be sat? If a potential jury member feels they cannot judge the case without prejudice, it is their civic duty to speak up. Do you think so little of your fellow citizens to believe they would lie their way onto a jury?

 

I think Trump lawyers have to pick the best from the worse.  Bottom line they have to pick. 

Do I think citizens woukd lie? No not usually. However in many democratic states, citizens have been spun into a hysteria after hearing that Trump will end the constitution, put women in forced pregnancy camps, will be the next Hitler and turn the US into a Nazi Germany 2.0. and that the racist south will rise again, For 8 years!! 

Is lying as sinister if were to stop "Hitler" or to save women from "forced pregnancy"? Or to prevent slavery again? Woukd you? 

I'd bet that the majority of people who believe this would not consider bringing their willful bias to a court room as an act of deception. Probably more of a patriotic duty to save us all. 

 

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Tweety said:

Viva passed away the other day but she had made it known she wasn't going to vote for Trump.  Spidey'smom definitely left when Trump was elected and pops back now and then.  Someone else left at that time but danged if I can remember her.  She was retired and her most memorable post was about Obama letting in 10,000 terrorists via New Orleans.  

Was it tntrn? She who kept a loaded gun in her nightstand, even when her grandkids were around?

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heron said:

Was it tntrn? She who kept a loaded gun in her nightstand, even when her grandkids were around?

Yes!  Wonder about her sometimes.  She sure didn't like Clinton and her thousands of lies she told (her words),  Her guy won so wonder why she left at that time.  Anyway....

The rules for debates have been established.  I never watch debates.  I do hope rather than "tour de force" Harris will remain calm, cool and collected.  Her coherence might contrast with Trump's tendency to ramble and go off script, although I'm sure he's coached better than that.  Trump should rightly focus on what he doesn't like about the Biden administration but also I hope comes up with some concrete ideas on what he will do other than exaggerations.

I don't blame Harris for not taking Fox News up on hosting a debate.  They have been actively campaigning against her.

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"Tour de force aren't going to be what you hear from the headlines, because the campaign's already downplaying her performance before it even happens," Fox News national correspondent Griff Jenkins said.

[The Trump campaign] offered her three debates, which is really out of respect for the American people and the voters [for candidates] to earn their vote on Election Day," Fox News contributor Katie Pavlich said.

"We've always had three debates, right? One is this format that we're going to see on Tuesday night, one is a town hall debate, and then one focuses on foreign policy," Fox News contributor Joe Concha said. "[Harris] was offered a Fox News debate, and she would not take that debate because Bret Baier [and] Martha MacCallum are going to ask germane, relevant, tough questions. She wants no part of that whatsoever."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/harris-campaign-already-downplaying-her-performance-before-even-happens

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Beerman said:

Not speaking about this case specifically as I haven't been following.

But, lawyers sometimes try to get a trial moved or object to it being moved because they think the pool of jurists will or will not favor them.

During jury selection,  each side usually has a limited number of times they dismiss a jurist.

And, as someone who once worked within the court system I know people do lie to get on or off a jury.

Is this a suggestion then that all of the grand jurors and trial jurors involved in Trump's legal problems in multiple states simply lied and deceived the attorneys and the judges in order to participate in a scheme to wrongfully convict Trump of crimes that he didn't commit? 

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Tweety said:

Yes!  Wonder about her sometimes.  She sure didn't like Clinton and her thousands of lies she told (her words),  Her guy won so wonder why she left at that time.  Anyway....

The rules for debates have been established.  I never watch debates.  I do hope rather than "tour de force" Harris will remain calm, cool and collected.  Her coherence might contrast with Trump's tendency to ramble and go off script, although I'm sure he's coached better than that.  Trump should rightly focus on what he doesn't like about the Biden administration but also I hope comes up with some concrete ideas on what he will do other than exaggerations.

I don't blame Harris for not taking Fox News up on hosting a debate.  They have been actively campaigning against her.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/harris-campaign-already-downplaying-her-performance-before-even-happens

I'll watch the debate for you.  I love debates, having been one of those nerdy debate team students in high school and college.  I'm trying to make sense of debate moderators who don't seem to want to moderate. I've never before encountered debate moderators who don't at least attempt to get the participants to answer the asked question rather than just letting them ramble off subject.  The media just perceives Trump's ranting incoherence as normal and they don't point it out to the voters as a concern.  I expect that on Tuesday. 

Regardless of the double standard, Harris will demonstrate by comparison that Trump isn't fit for office.  It will be clear that the contest is between Harris and a crazy guy whose primary message is grievance not policy. 

Huckabee Sanders says that Trump prepares for debates by talking to the people everyday.  That sounds like code for a candidate who thinks he's the best debater who doesn't really prepare for debates or things like that.  His previous cabinet members described an arrogant guy who thought he already knew the important stuff and who regularly interrupted important briefings to tell people what he knew.  

 

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