I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
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Crusades said:
Did you know that "political theater " wasn't invented and executed by Republicans exclusively? You truly think is is.
You seriously can not see it due to your bias and preoccupation with Trump.
Does that notion somehow make all of the wasted time and money that House republicans have used on political theater to benefit Trump these last 8 years somehow acceptable? It sounds like you are trying to justify the right wing political theater by claiming generically that it's a "both sides" issue without offering even a shred of evidence. Regardless, that strawman argument is silly. No one claimed that republicans invented political theater.
Someone blind to those partisan congressional efforts and the corruption is Trump is not in position to critique the vision or awareness of others.
All patriots who know history are preoccupied with the morally and ethically unfit candidate that you prefer because that fellow represents a threat to our republic.
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Crusades said:
Exactly. He thought the election was fraudulent. He tried to overturn it. He could not because the laws and the constitution did not allow it.
So the "Trump will end the constitutio/steal the election" is hyperbolic fear mongering with the aim to scare stupid people into believing it.
How is it hyperbolic to note that the felon already tried once to break our republic, has talked repeatedly about other extraconstitutional fantasies that involve giving himself power and actually had republicans at the state level trying to legalize ways for them to change vote totals to benefit Trump?
An example of hyperbole is telling cult members that democrats want to kill babies after birth. An example of hyperbole is saying that Trump was the best president ever. You plan to vote for the king of fear mongering and hyperbole. What a silly projection.
It may seem that I'm always doing this about Trump. However I'm actually more centre. This is a left dominated forum so there isn't much decent. I find very few members that are either less bias or full on hard left here.
I often formulate my replies using the same logic and prescendent that some members use here. Some members post about Trump and Republicans and make it sound like the democrats are as pure as snow and certain political bad habits are exclusive to republicans/Trump.
Hypocrisy is my annoyance but I'm always sorry if I've annoyed you.
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No worries the answer always is "I just want to point out the hypocrisy" when the subject is changed. I just don't think it's relevant or fair to shut someone down with the hypocrisy claim, and I think people should be able to point things out and complain about things (remember I've jumped down TMB as well, so it's equal opportunity) without having the topic changed. (For example from you: "Just look, democrats like to deny elections too!" as if we can't talk about Trump's great lie without having to include another topic). That's all I'll say for now. I've said it before, so I won't promise to let it go.
Believe it or not this group wasn't always left bent. During the Tea Party hey day and Obama years there were a lot of conservatives here. One in particular named Timothy would go on and on with long eloquent posts about the evils of Obamacare and whatnot. He even ran for some political office in Texas as a Tea Party member he had some convictions. I disagreed with him on practically every point but admired that he put his money where his mouth was an ran for an office.
But it's always been a relatively small group and I think the current posters are about the smallest I've seen. I always appreciate the balance of having some centrists and conservatives here.
The older members can correct me if I'm wrong, but I noticed several of the core conservatives stopped posting after Trump was elected.
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Crusades said:
All true.
It may seem that I'm always doing this about Trump. However I'm actually more centre. This is a left dominated forum so there isn't much decent. I find very few members that are either less bias or full on hard left here.
I often formulate my replies using the same logic and prescendent that some members use here. Some members post about Trump and Republicans and make it sound like the democrats are as pure as snow and certain political bad habits are exclusive to republicans/Trump.
Hypocrisy is my annoyance but I'm always sorry if I've annoyed you.
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I'm laughing at your statement that you are more center as you make excuses for the right wing extremist candidate who best represents your values. As you justify banning books from school libraries rather than letting parents decide for their own children. That is decidedly not a center of right political stance.
Many of your replies defy logic altogether, as I have repeatedly pointed out.
You are imagining things. No one has said that democrats are pure as snow or that only Trump has bad habits. We call that sort of argument a strawman argument.
Hypocrisy seems to have a place in your political stances. For instance, you were terribly concerned that anyone would vote for Biden, who you described as being in the grips of dementia, but you carefully ignore and avoid mention of Trump's obvious cognitive decline and deteriorating mental health status. That is the epitome of hypocrisy.
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Crusades said:
It isn't illegal to object to an election. As of yet he hasn't been convicted for interference either. Just look, democrats like to deny elections too!
I know I know. It's okay because the democrats who denied election results did it before the preferred date, it's okay to deny election results as long as it's before the certification. Hillary did it after, what's her excuse?
Trump hasn't been convicted yet but he surely has been indicted multiple times for those un-American efforts to retain lost power. You call those indictments a weaponization of the DOJ, right? You think that's all just a witch hunt picking on a totally innocent man, right?
None of those examples is the same as Trump's lies about our elections. None of them are denials of election results. None of them involve repeated lies or attempts to overturn results using mobs or coersion. You can't even explain how they are the same but you want others to buy into that baloney.
Hillary did what exactly? Be specific in your BS projections.
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Crusades said:
I think you cannot post anything without saying something like "you are young and naive" . That's like me saying I think you are old and senile.
Ad hominiem is the laziest propaganda tactic. (Degrade the person to not discuss the point).
You think I cannot even though I do regularly. Way to set yourself up to be wrong.
You must have missed where I discussed "the point" before commenting that you must be young and naive. It's common to have to repeat the point of discussions and the data and the evidence because the young and naive participants don't want to actually read or consider the evidence which contradicts their feelings and beliefs.
No worries the answer always is "I just want to point out the hypocrisy" when the subject is changed. I just don't think it's relevant or fair to shut someone down with the hypocrisy claim, and I think people should be able to point things out and complain about things (remember I've jumped down TMB as well, so it's equal opportunity) without having the topic changed. That's all I'll say for now. I've said it before, so I won't promise to let it go.
Believe it or not this group wasn't always left bent. During the Tea Party hey day and Obama years there were a lot of conservatives here. One in particular named Timothy would go on and on with long eloquent posts about the evils of Obamacare and whatnot. He even ran for some political office in Texas as a Tea Party member he had some convictions. I disagreed with him on practically every point but admired that he put his money where his mouth was an ran for an office.
But it's always been a relatively small group and I think the current posters are about the smallest I've seen. I always appreciate the balance of having some centrists and conservatives here.
The older members can correct me if I'm wrong, but I noticed several of the core conservatives stopped posting after Trump was elected.
I don't recall anyone trying to claim that political theater isn't a universal phenomenon. In fact, theater is an ancient medium of communication. Ancient because it's so effective. Ask any advertising agency. Or priest.
At this particular moment in time, though, it's the Republican Party making choices that have a tendency to threaten the health and safety of me, my son and my grandchildren. They've been escalating since the days of Ronald Reagan, largely using political theater. So, yeah ... I'm gonna push back and talk about that.
As for conservative members, spideysmom and viva la viejas Spring to mind. Getting old has a lot to do with it, I think. I also think after the tea party and Obamacare fights, some people got tired of the mutual-assured-destruction nature of the discussions.
Of course, AN as a whole has shrunk since '04. It's also become a lot more homogenous. Subject for another thread.
Does that notion somehow make all of the wasted time and money that House republicans have used on political theater to benefit Trump these last 8 years somehow acceptable? It sounds like you are trying to justify the right wing political theater by claiming generically that it's a "both sides" issue without offering even a shred of evidence. Regardless, that strawman argument is silly. No one claimed that republicans invented political theater.
Someone blind to those partisan congressional efforts and the corruption is Trump is not in position to critique the vision or awareness of others.
All patriots who know history are preoccupied with the morally and ethically unfit candidate that you prefer because that fellow represents a threat to our republic.
Baloney, just because you consider something "political theater " doesn't mean it is. It's all subjective. Both sides do it. And will continue
"Threat to our republic"? How? What do you think he will do?
Does that notion somehow make all of the wasted time and money that House republicans have used on political theater to benefit Trump these last 8 years somehow acceptable? It sounds like you are trying to justify the right wing political theater by claiming generically that it's a "both sides" issue without offering even a shred of evidence. Regardless, that strawman argument is silly. No one claimed that republicans invented political theater.
Someone blind to those partisan congressional efforts and the corruption is Trump is not in position to critique the vision or awareness of others.
All patriots who know history are preoccupied with the morally and ethically unfit candidate that you prefer because that fellow represents a threat to our republic.
He is none of those things if he is the elected by the people of the US. If he is dually elected he is the legitimate POTUS regardless of your feelings and opinions.
As for conservative members, spideysmom and viva la viejas Spring to mind. Getting old has a lot to do with it, I think. I also think after the tea party and Obamacare fights, some people got tired of the mutual-assured-destruction nature of the discussions.
Of course, AN as a whole has shrunk since '04. It's also become a lot more homogenous. Subject for another thread.
Viva passed away the other day but she had made it known she wasn't going to vote for Trump. Spidey'smom definitely left when Trump was elected and pops back now and then. Someone else left at that time but danged if I can remember her. She was retired and her most memorable post was about Obama letting in 10,000 terrorists via New Orleans. I thought it interesting that this wasn't headline news and she and a few other select people knew about it. But yeah, off topic and for another thread another time.
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Does that notion somehow make all of the wasted time and money that House republicans have used on political theater to benefit Trump these last 8 years somehow acceptable? It sounds like you are trying to justify the right wing political theater by claiming generically that it's a "both sides" issue without offering even a shred of evidence. Regardless, that strawman argument is silly. No one claimed that republicans invented political theater.
Someone blind to those partisan congressional efforts and the corruption is Trump is not in position to critique the vision or awareness of others.
All patriots who know history are preoccupied with the morally and ethically unfit candidate that you prefer because that fellow represents a threat to our republic.