I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
How is it hyperbolic to note that the felon already tried once to break our republic, has talked repeatedly about other extraconstitutional fantasies that involve giving himself power and actually had republicans at the state level trying to legalize ways for them to change vote totals to benefit Trump?
An example of hyperbole is telling cult members that democrats want to kill babies after birth. An example of hyperbole is saying that Trump was the best president ever. You plan to vote for the king of fear mongering and hyperbole. What a silly projection.
How did he "break our republic "? Because he wasn't the guy YOU voted for?
This is what Trump was refering to about " kill babies after birth".
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If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” Northam says in a video from the 2019 interview being shared online. "The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
That's what this Governor said. In the age where a debunked claim that "Trump called supremist very fine people " is repeated over and over by the current POTUS, I'll concede however out of contexts, this was the govenor' s words and using the same standards, this is not an out right lie from Trump. Not like he made it up out of thin air like you would like to believe.
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Alaska
Abortion is Legal with no limit
165k women of reproductive age
Alaska's state constitution recognizes the right to abortion, the state's highest court ruled in 1997.
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Colorado
Abortion is Legal with no limit
1.4m women of reproductive age
In 2022, Colorado's state legislature enacted the Reproductive Health Equity Act, which enshrines the right to abortion and contraception in state law.
Followed by Collorado, Minnesota, New Jersey, Vermont and Washington. All no limit.
So abortion up until birth isn't a complete fabrication made up in Trump's head.
Trump hasn't been convicted yet but he surely has been indicted multiple times for those un-American efforts to retain lost power. You call those indictments a weaponization of the DOJ, right? You think that's all just a witch hunt picking on a totally innocent man, right?
None of those examples is the same as Trump's lies about our elections. None of them are denials of election results. None of them involve repeated lies or attempts to overturn results using mobs or coersion. You can't even explain how they are the same but you want others to buy into that baloney.
Hillary did what exactly? Be specific in your BS projections.
Of course. It's never the same when democrats do it. .....
Hillary denied the 2016 election before the "preferred date" by saying Trump was an illegitimate president.
No. Not a witch hunt. However it is the first time almost in history that a president and a former president and candidate of an election to be pursued so feircly.
At the very least, there is a more focused energy to find anything and everything they can charge him with.
No worries the answer always is "I just want to point out the hypocrisy" when the subject is changed. I just don't think it's relevant or fair to shut someone down with the hypocrisy claim, and I think people should be able to point things out and complain about things (remember I've jumped down TMB as well, so it's equal opportunity) without having the topic changed. (For example from you: "Just look, democrats like to deny elections too!" as if we can't talk about Trump's great lie without having to include another topic). That's all I'll say for now. I've said it before, so I won't promise to let it go.
Believe it or not this group wasn't always left bent. During the Tea Party hey day and Obama years there were a lot of conservatives here. One in particular named Timothy would go on and on with long eloquent posts about the evils of Obamacare and whatnot. He even ran for some political office in Texas as a Tea Party member he had some convictions. I disagreed with him on practically every point but admired that he put his money where his mouth was an ran for an office.
But it's always been a relatively small group and I think the current posters are about the smallest I've seen. I always appreciate the balance of having some centrists and conservatives here.
The older members can correct me if I'm wrong, but I noticed several of the core conservatives stopped posting after Trump was elected.
Yes. We used to have more conservatives but they are probably now never Trumpers since they aren't MAGA. I enjoyed the exchanges. Now it's just exhausting.
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Crusades said:
He is none of those things if he is the elected by the people of the US. If he is dually elected he is the legitimate POTUS regardless of your feelings and opinions.
Trump is at this moment ethically and morally unfit to serve in the presidency. He is mentally ill and demonstrating evidence of cognitive decline regardless of your feelings or opinion about that truth.
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Crusades said:
Of course. It's never the same when democrats do it. .....
Hillary denied the 2016 election before the "preferred date" by saying Trump was an illegitimate president.
No. Not a witch hunt. However it is the first time almost in history that a president and a former president and candidate of an election to be pursued so feircly.
At the very least, there is a more focused energy to find anything and everything they can charge him with.
Because it's not the same.
No democrat claimed that an election was stolen and then invited a mob to protest a fabricated fraud while trying to bully secretaries of state to change vote totals. No democrat threatened someone if they didn't refuse to certify a vote, certainly not with a violent mob and a gallows.
If you're really worried about words like "illegitimate" you should listen to Trump talk about people and American institutions.
Yeah. The first time in history. Trump represented many firsts for the USA and very few were good. Next he needs to be the first former president and felon who lost the popular vote three times in a row.
The law typically ends up pursuing people who appear to disregard laws and regulations the way others might disregard a child's sign on a bedroom door. Innocent people shouldn't have any worries but Trump seems to have issues with fraudulent bookkeeping and the like.
Do you think there's some wide leftist conspiracy and coordinated effort to hold Trump accountable for crimes or is it all coincidence?
Trump is at this moment ethically and morally unfit to serve in the presidency. He is mentally ill and demonstrating evidence of cognitive decline regardless of your feelings or opinion about that truth.
I guess the American people will decide if he is "unfit" in the election.
You're long ago anecdotal experience does not qualify as a diagnosis. No matter how much you feel it does.
I'm not saying he's not Only that there is no evidence to support your speculation.
Of course. It's never the same when democrats do it. .....
Hillary denied the 2016 election before the "preferred date" by saying Trump was an illegitimate president.
No. Not a witch hunt. However it is the first time almost in history that a president and a former president and candidate of an election to be pursued so feircly.
At the very least, there is a more focused energy to find anything and everything they can charge him with.
Yes, Trump is pursued very fiercely, perhaps because it's so easy to dig things up on him. He is unlike any other president for sure.
It's extremely weak to compare Ms. Clinton to Trump. Unlike Trump she conceded and wished him well and hoped "he will be a successful president for all Americans."
It was a few years later her sour grapes came out she said he was not legitimate and she said "“I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.” , and she seems to have let it go. But even then she didn't as you claim deny the election. She's resigned to the election results but is talking about how they came about.
That's what this Governor said. In the age where a debunked claim that "Trump called supremist very fine people " is repeated over and over by the current POTUS, I'll concede however out of contexts, this was the govenor' s words and using the same standards, this is not an out right lie from Trump. Not like he made it up out of thin air like you would like to believe.
Followed by Collorado, Minnesota, New Jersey, Vermont and Washington. All no limit.
So abortion up until birth isn't a complete fabrication made up in Trump's head.
He tried to break our republic when he lost the election. That's not a mystery and it's not complicated.
There you go again, the Trump whisperer, explaining to me what Trump really meant by the words he chose and spoke. I expect that. I do appreciate you citing a source saying that Trump is full of baloney about that abortion lie. Did you read it?
The idea of abortion up until birth is a weird right wing extremist fixation that is overblown.
He tried to break our republic when he lost the election. That's not a mystery and it's not complicated.
There you go again, the Trump whisperer, explaining to me what Trump really meant by the words he chose and spoke. I expect that. I do appreciate you citing a source saying that Trump is full of baloney about that abortion lie. Did you read it?
The idea of abortion up until birth is a weird right wing extremist fixation that is overblown.
Not "overblown" in my view. It bears a distinct resemblance to the Qanon fable about dems killing babies for their adrenochrome. It's a deliberate falsehood directly descended from mideval blood libel against Jews. Pure political theater centered on pejorative labelling.
Kinda like the standard Know-nothing fare of migrant = dirty, criminal, diseased and taking over murrica.
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heron said:
Not "overblown" in my view. It bears a distinct resemblance to the Qanon fable about dems killing babies for their adrenochrome. It's a deliberate falsehood directly descended from mideval blood libel against Jews. Pure political theater centered on pejorative labelling.
Kinda like the standard Know-nothing fare of migrant = dirty, criminal, diseased and taking over murrica.
Russia fuels the disinformation because it creates so much animus.
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How did he "break our republic "? Because he wasn't the guy YOU voted for?
This is what Trump was refering to about " kill babies after birth".
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ralph-northam-virginia-abortion-952598071326
That's what this Governor said. In the age where a debunked claim that "Trump called supremist very fine people " is repeated over and over by the current POTUS, I'll concede however out of contexts, this was the govenor' s words and using the same standards, this is not an out right lie from Trump. Not like he made it up out of thin air like you would like to believe.
Followed by Collorado, Minnesota, New Jersey, Vermont and Washington. All no limit.
So abortion up until birth isn't a complete fabrication made up in Trump's head.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/jul/29/abortion-laws-bans-by-state