I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
You both criticized the source I used to gain some insight on the border bill. I asked if you could point me to something better, but haven't heard anything...
Yes, I questioned why one would just automatically accept the opinion of "Brownie" on legislation that he has no particular expertise in.
You asked for a source and I provided the actual text of the bill. So, respectfully, what the heck are you talking about? Are you serious?
Yes, I questioned why one would just automatically accept the opinion of "Brownie" on legislation that he has no particular expertise in.
You asked for a source and I provided the actual text of the bill. So, respectfully, what the heck are you talking about? Are you serious?
LOL...first off, I'm fully capable of finding text of the bill. But thanks for your assistance.
I explained why I give his opinion some weight.
The media, and congress for that matter, and heck even the White House, is full of people who have little experience in this kind of legislation.
You first made commentary on the bill the morning after it was released. Are you saying you stayed up all night and read it?
Great. I don't need to find another source. We have you here to explain all the benefits, with specifics, of this bill that we supposedly need right away even though we've been told by the administration for three years that the border is secure.
I do think Beerman is being reasonable in looking for a summary of the bill because as he said who wants to read a 300 something page bill.
Some sources like the Heritage Foundation hate it (no surprise) but summaries are what most of us look for, not reading the bill itself. But have it if that's you're thing.
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Tweety said:
I do think Beerman is being reasonable in looking for a summary of the bill because as he said who wants to read a 300 something page bill.
Some sources like the Heritage Foundation hate it (no surprise) but summaries are what most of us look for, not reading the bill itself. But have it if that's you're thing.
Sure he is, but I offered him multiple articles discussing the bill. Did he open the link which offered the text of the bill, summaries of the text, a fact sheet, and analysis before he complained that no one provided him with information or analysis? Isn't the American Immigration Lawyers Association a reasonable source for analysis and summary?
Sure he is, but I offered him multiple articles discussing the bill. Did he open the link which offered the text of the bill, summaries of the text, a fact sheet, and analysis before he complained that no one provided him with information or analysis? Isn't the American Immigration Lawyers Association a reasonable source for analysis and summary?
The issue is not that summaries and analysis weren't offered in discussion.
Yes, I opened your links.
First one was nothing but about how the Dreamers were left out.
Second one was about McConnell and the Border Patrol union endorsing it.
Third was simply a link to the actual bill.
Now, on attempt four it appears maybe (we"ll see) some actual analysis of what's in the bill.
I'll.take a look, putting aside the obvious bias that a immigration lawyers organization might have as it seems they might benefit from more rather than fewer people trying to get in.
I do think Beerman is being reasonable in looking for a summary of the bill because as he said who wants to read a 300 something page bill.
Some sources like the Heritage Foundation hate it (no surprise) but summaries are what most of us look for, not reading the bill itself. But have it if that's you're thing.
I've heard my own analysis of it, one of which I mentioned here. My complaint is about criticism of my source without anyone offering anything else but to read the bill.
Of course, they haven't read it themselves, and don't seem to have anything to offer that would indicate they know anything about it except that Joe wants it passed and Trump doesn't.
Now, finally TMB scrounged up something. We'll see what it has.
Your CNN link was better than some I've seen in that it alluded to some loopholes in the bill. But, didn't go into any kind of detail. Such as the President can suspend the border crossing limit on his/her own for the good of our national interest.
They also mentioned that the authority to do that goes away in just three years and that there is a limit on how many days that authority can be used.
I could go on, but It's not going anywhere, anyway, for good reason. It'll be blamed on people adhering to Trump's wishes. That may true in some cases. So what, if he's right? And in most cases, like the talk show host I mentioned who is a Trump critic, they recognize on their own that the bill is BS.
First one was nothing but about how the Dreamers were left out.
Second one was about McConnell and the Border Patrol union endorsing it.
Third was simply a link to the actual bill.
Now, on attempt four it appears maybe (we"ll see) some actual analysis of what's in the bill.
I'll.take a look, putting aside the obvious bias that a immigration lawyers organization might have as it seems they might benefit from more rather than fewer people trying to get in.
A bipartisan group of senators just managed something that happens only once a decade or so, crafting a compromise bill to reform the immigration system. Republicans' reaction was emphatic: Though the bill would give them much of what they say they want, while offering Democrats only minor concessions in return, almost the entire GOP refuses to pass it.
The deal's swift collapse confirms an important truth that everyone must now accept: Republicans don't actually want to fix the immigration system. And accepting that truth clears the way for a new era in America's immigration debate — one when we're not waiting around the GOP to come to its senses.
I do think Republicans want the mess to continue so they have a talking point to elect Trump and get rid of Biden, or at least Trump does which is why he's lobbying against it.
But they do want reform...close the borders, build a wall, use the military, don't help anyone in need, including dreamers, because that just encourages them. A get tough stance.
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Beerman said:
Yes, I opened your links.
First one was nothing but about how the Dreamers were left out.
Second one was about McConnell and the Border Patrol union endorsing it.
Third was simply a link to the actual bill.
Now, on attempt four it appears maybe (we"ll see) some actual analysis of what's in the bill.
I'll.take a look, putting aside the obvious bias that a immigration lawyers organization might have as it seems they might benefit from more rather than fewer people trying to get in.
The last link was a repeat of the link just before the PDF of the bill. THAT repeated link had the text of the bill, and summaries, and analysis and a fact sheet. Maybe you just weren't looking very closely before complaining that I hadn't fully met your expectations.
Sure. Their "obvious bias" is probably more relevant than their expertise in the eyes of some.
You both criticized the source I used to gain some insight on the border bill. I asked if you could point me to something better, but haven't heard anything...
No. You haven't told us why you think the bill is garbage. You said somebody else said that but posted it as if it were factual. I didn't comment on the quality of the bill since I have not much an idea of what's in it. Yet it's mard to believe that doing something is worst than doing nothing.
I do think Republicans want the mess to continue so they have a talking point to elect Trump and get rid of Biden, or at least Trump does which is why he's lobbying against it.
But they do want reform...close the borders, build a wall, use the military, don't help anyone in need, including dreamers, because that just encourages them. A get tough stance.
Republicans do want reform, just not any reform that is actually possible. They want pie in the sky level reform. They want unicorn type reform. They want the reform that they can get only if they don't have to compromise or negotiate any unpopular positions. They want the kind of reform that authoritarians want.
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Is your reading and comprehension of the bill going to be the only thing to shape your opinion on it?
Impressive.