The election 2024 Thread

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I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.

Get out the popcorn for this one.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/desantis-plans-to-officially-announce-presidential-run-next-week.html

nursej22 said:

There is a housing shortage for middle and working class folks, too. Private equity and venture capitalism has had a hand in buying up properties and jacking up rents. 

The Constitution promotes the general Welfare of the nation. I think that includes housing citizens. 

The "housing shortage" is debatable.

"Jacking up rents" only works if people pay it.  It's called supply and demand.

Even if we take what you say to be true,  Harris's ideas aren't going to fix it.

And if they were, why isn't the current administration doing it now?

https://news.ku.edu/news/article/study-finds-us-does-not-have-housing-shortage-but-shortage-of-affordable-housing#:~:text=“When looking at the number,shortage of housing units available

No, imo and that of many is that it's not up to the government and we wouldn't want the government building or subsidize the building of housing.

Crusades said:

This is "MAGA" Republicans. Not all Republicans.  Which is a ridiculous fallacy because how does one determine who is a MAGA and who isn't? Is there a quantitative measurement other than the democrat qualifier of any conservative they don't like? Seems they called random people and asked them. Real objective.  

Now do the rest of Trump supporters.  

 

Nice try. 

Seems obvious, doesn't it?

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nursej22 said:

Wrong. He was impeached for Jan 6, but the Senate refused to convict. 7 Republicans voted to convict. McConnell said Trump was liable for his conduct and could be charged as a private citizen. Investigation started before he announced he was running. 

He is running to avoid prosecution. He has said he will fire Jack Smith immediately and thus the charges will go away. He has successfully run out the clock. 

If Jack Smith has done nothing wrong like aggressive politically motived prosecute then he has nothing to worry about right? The same DOJ that offered Trump the 100% fair and constitutional prosecution will be the same used for Smith. Nothing to worry about right? If he did nothing wrong.  

 

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nursej22 said:

Wrong. He was impeached for Jan 6, but the Senate refused to convict. 7 Republicans voted to convict. McConnell said Trump was liable for his conduct and could be charged as a private citizen. Investigation started before he announced he was running. 

He is running to avoid prosecution. He has said he will fire Jack Smith immediately and thus the charges will go away. He has successfully run out the clock. 

Right. Like anybody didn't think he was going to run again. 

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subee said:

They are just the squeaker wheel.

Squeak squeaky.  

Imagine the sound if all the squeaky wheels making their way to the ballot box!

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Crusades said:

Right. Like anybody didn't think he was going to run again. 

Who thought Trump wouldn't run again?  Of course Trump was going to run again after losing in 2020. 

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Beerman said:

Seems obvious, doesn't it?

What happens when businesses have to pare down or close because workers can't afford to live where they work?  An expensive restaurant here hires internationally AND houses their employees.  Who pays?  The customers.  We have to bring in construction workers from out of state and house them while they are here (hotels) working.  That has made the price of construction so expensive that only folks building houses over a million dollars can get them done.  We do not have access to immigrants or otherwise.  They can't afford it.  I don't see what the harm is in giving a new house buyer a tax credit to help with a down-payment.  They will certainly pay property taxes as soon as they will buy.  And, they are buying at the bottom price of the housing stock and doing improvements.  All of that gemerates income for the products new owners nees and provides employees for local businesses.  

  

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Beerman said:

Seems obvious, doesn't it?

Non MAGA Republicans are turning to Harris for this one.  When have we ever seen this before in the numbers we have now?  That's rhetorical:)

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Beerman said:

The "housing shortage" is debatable.

"Jacking up rents" only works if people pay it.  It's called supply and demand.

Even if we take what you say to be true,  Harris's ideas aren't going to fix it.

And if they were, why isn't the current administration doing it now?

https://news.ku.edu/news/article/study-finds-us-does-not-have-housing-shortage-but-shortage-of-affordable-housing#:~:text=“When looking at the number,shortage of housing units available

No, imo and that of many is that it's not up to the government and we wouldn't want the government building or subsidize the building of housing.

I look at it from a public health perspective. People, including children, are living in cars, tents, cruddy motorhomes in horribly unsanitary conditions. Assisting with housing helps industry and workers. Our population is aging and we need healthy youth to grow up and contribute to society. 

 

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

FHA and VA loans made possible for WWII Gi's to buy  Levittown homes.

Levittown: The Archetype for Suburban Development  two within 40 minutes of my home.

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Beerman said:

The "housing shortage" is debatable.

"Jacking up rents" only works if people pay it.  It's called supply and demand.

Even if we take what you say to be true,  Harris's ideas aren't going to fix it.

And if they were, why isn't the current administration doing it now?

https://news.ku.edu/news/article/study-finds-us-does-not-have-housing-shortage-but-shortage-of-affordable-housing#:~:text=“When looking at the number,shortage of housing units available

No, imo and that of many is that it's not up to the government and we wouldn't want the government building or subsidize the building of housing.

I've had a chance to read your attached article. It appears the authors are citing vacancy rates from 2020. Vacancy rates in the Seattle area (closest metropolitan area to me) are 0.9%, far lower than the 9.7% cited in the article. 

Crusades said:

The only reason he's being prosecuted is because he is running. 

Like it or not this little over kill on charging Trump backfired for the democrats. Whether if fits the democrats "no one above the law" concept or not, people see it as political persecution of a political opponent. Not everyone hates Trump enough to overlook that idea. Some feel it they can do it to a former POTUS who can't they do it to? 

Trump could have easily went after Hillary but he did not. Even terrible evil "Hitler" saw the political disadvantage of that. Too bad the democrats could not. That's why they have a good chance of losing. 

He did go after Hillary but his DOJ couldn't find a thing to prosecute her. 
 

Donald Trump publicly advocated for prosecuting Hillary Clinton, especially during the 2016 presidential campaign, where chants of "Lock her up!” became a hallmark of his rallies. He often criticized Clinton for her use of a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and suggested she had committed crimes.

 

After becoming president, Trump continued to express frustration about Clinton's lack of prosecution. In November 2017, The New York Times reported that Trump had privately pressured then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to look into appointing a special counsel to investigate Clinton. However, Sessions and other Justice Department officials did not pursue the matter, citing a lack of sufficient evidence and the potential damage to the department's independence.

 

In later statements, former officials, including those from the Justice Department, confirmed that while Trump frequently discussed prosecuting Clinton, his aides and legal advisers dissuaded him, worried that it would look like using the justice system for political purposes. Ultimately, no formal investigation into Clinton was launched during Trump's administration.

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