Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

Littleblackdog, ADN, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

50 minutes ago, forgivenfaith119 said:
A Hit with the Ladies...
After reading your comments, I have great concern that you are a nurse. You are turning your head to science, facts and reality.
Your comments, if said to a layperson could encourage them to not wear a mask and social distance. This could spread Covid-19.
This is one of the reasons your comments is disturbing. Especially since you are a healthcare professional.

forgivenfaith119: WELL SAID! A few things stand firm: this virus is easy to catch. It is spread by respiratory secretions, and those pass easily and often invisibly from our mouths and noses and and inhaled by someone else. Wearing a mask helps.

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Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

Humans can’t even stop spreading hiv and chlamydia. Let the virus burn out and accept that swaths of dead people is a part of human life every few hundred years. Modern life expectancy is already artificially boosted past historical levels. We shouldn’t sell out the economic stability, education, and future of a whole generation to avoid a natural disaster that will by no means wipe out the majority of the population.

I say this while I’m taking tiotropium bromide, albuterol, and montelukast so my lungs will work well enough to be able to get off my couch after a presumptive case of COVID in March that ran 30+ days [we had all currently listed symptoms]. How I wish I wasn’t allergic to corticosteroids. Life happens life sucks sometimes. People die

Natural disasters happen. Tornados happen. Fires happen. New viruses happen. Accept it and move on. We can’t stop the world for the idealistic dream that everyone is going to survive and we can put pandora back in the box.

It won’t happen. Keep the country open and keep Texas open. What does matter we are only delaying the inevitable.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

54 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
It won’t happen. Keep the country open and keep Texas open. What does matter we are only delaying the inevitable.

The Corona-obsessed would have no qualms keeping us in quarantine for years on end, with 80%+ unemployment and the food supply chain going kaput. If you don't give in to their ceaseless diktats, you are apparently a fan of genocide. ?

scribblz, BSN, CNA, LPN · Jun 29, 2020

2 hours ago, damiorifice said:
Humans can’t even stop spreading hiv and chlamydia. Let the virus burn out and accept that swaths of dead people is a part of human life every few hundred years. Modern life expectancy is already artificially boosted past historical levels. We shouldn’t sell out the economic stability, education, and future of a whole generation to avoid a natural disaster that will by no means wipe out the majority of the population.
I say this while I’m taking tiotropium bromide, albuterol, and montelukast so my lungs will work well enough to be able to get off my couch after a presumptive case of COVID in March that ran 30+ days [we had all currently listed symptoms]. How I wish I wasn’t allergic to corticosteroids. Life happens life sucks sometimes. People die
Natural disasters happen. Tornados happen. Fires happen. New viruses happen. Accept it and move on. We can’t stop the world for the idealistic dream that everyone is going to survive and we can put pandora back in the box.
It won’t happen. Keep the country open and keep Texas open. What does matter we are only delaying the inevitable.

I probably shouldn't respond to this what with it being 2:30 in the morning, and I'm half asleep...but I'm going to anyway.

We have a responsibility to do better once we know better.

We didn't always screen for STDs and teach people about them, but we do now. Providing clean needle exchanges, condoms... making sure people get irradiated blood transfusions...all examples of doing better.

I don't actually disagree that we keep people alive so long that the quantity of their life exceeds their quality. However my role is to educate, support and advocate for them not decide for them.

I'm sorry that you had what sounds like a horrible bout with COVID.

You likened COVID to a natural disaster which is not inaccurate. We knew it was coming, underestimated it and then failed to agree nationally on what to do about it. So rather than "controlling and managing" the spread we're just putting out flare ups region to region. The solution is not to just let it burn through the country uncontrollably just because we are doing an uncoordinated job at managing it. The solution is to do what every other country has who has successfully shut this thing down.

They tracked the spread, quarantined areas in acute outbreak, slowly reopened with masks, distancing and hand hygeine.

And they are coming out of it. As are we in the Northeast. Texas is one of the last regions to be hit. The whole country/ world wants to open up. We did and continue to do our part.

That's not idealism; it's a fact. And the other fact is: we may be very different region to region, but we are connected.

How can we be so patriotic about the economy over American Life? I'm at a loss over this... I truly don't understand it.

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

1 minute ago, scribblz said:
How can we be so patriotic about the economy over American Life? I'm at a loss over this... I truly don't understand it.

I spent a great deal of time living in an area the used to be a coal camp, and saw what happens when crushing poverty destroys countless lives. It leads to generations of quitting. Swaths of people giving up on life and accepting substandard mediocrity; even chastising those who want to change. To me, from my perspective, tens of millions living under the crushing weight of poverty is worse than a few hundred thousand to a million dying.

im looking at the long term picture and NONE of the options are good. None.

scribblz, BSN, CNA, LPN · Jun 29, 2020

1 minute ago, damiorifice said:
I spent a great deal of time living in an area the used to be a coal camp, and saw what happens when crushing poverty destroys countless lives. It leads to generations of quitting. Swaths of people giving up on life and accepting substandard mediocrity; even chastising those who want to change. To me, from my perspective, tens of millions living under the crushing weight of poverty is worse than a few hundred thousand to a million dying.
im looking at the long term picture and NONE of the options are good. None.

Fair enough. But poverty has been an been steadily growing in this country for years. Covid definitely highlighted that the majority of the country is living paycheck to paycheck. And I am all for supporting those businesses who are closed or severely curtailed because of quarantining. But healthcare costs also regularly bankrupt people, financially it's not responsible to let it just run through the population, since we will also be treating them and potentially overwhelmed by that. We're really in a holding pattern of defending in place until it's not spreading unchecked, we have a better handle on treating it and/or a vaccine.

Should we address poverty in this country... absolutely...but we have to get a handle on the pandemic first.

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

3 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
The Corona-obsessed would have no qualms keeping us in quarantine for years on end, with 80%+ unemployment and the food supply chain going kaput. If you don't give in to their ceaseless diktats, you are apparently a fan of genocide. ?

That sect of the population does tend to utilize gas-lighting a bit much.

scribblz, BSN, CNA, LPN · Jun 29, 2020

4 hours ago, damiorifice said:
That sect of the population does tend to utilize gas-lighting a bit much.

And we were doing so well. I think this *** would struggle in Texas. At the risk of making you feel gas lighted I will try to lend some reality to the repeated exageration of "years of quarantine". In March MA's numbers spiked, and schools/ non essential businesses were closed. We were one of the worst hit states, peaked in April, steadily improved in May/June with a few spikes as people are getting antsy with the good weather. We've been able to slowly reopen while still keeping our numbers low. 3-4 months to get it under control. Not years. Probably would have taken less if we didn't have our own doubters undermining what has been working for us.

macawake, MSN · Jun 29, 2020

10 hours ago, damiorifice said:
That sect of the population does tend to utilize gas-lighting a bit much.

Interesting. I’m not sure exactly who the Corona-obsessed” are? Especially since the person who coined the phrase in these threads appears more obsessed than most? Any way.. How do you reckon that the Corona-obsessed gaslight those who aren’t similarly afflicted? As I understand gaslighting, it’s psychological manipulation intended to make a person doubt their perception or judgment? So how are the Corona-obsessed doing that?

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

1 minute ago, macawake said:
Interesting. I’m not sure exactly who the Corona-obsessed” are? Especially since the person who coined the phrase in these threads appears more obsessed than most? Any way.. How do you reckon that the Corona-obsessed gaslight those who aren’t similarly afflicted? As I understand gaslighting, it’s psychological manupulation intended to make a person doubt their perception or judgment?

It was a reference to the jump in logic employed by some whom imply that advocating for letting the virus run its course is synonymous with supporting genocide. I personally consider it the lesser of two evils. To each their own.

macawake, MSN · Jun 29, 2020

13 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
The Corona-obsessed would have no qualms keeping us in quarantine for years on end, with 80%+ unemployment and the food supply chain going kaput. If you don't give in to their ceaseless diktats, you are apparently a fan of genocide. ?

What made the meat packing plants go kaput?

Of course no one would accept 80% unemployment, ”Corona-obsessed”, or not.

What do you think would happen if a country didn’t have quarantines or lockdowns and all stores remained open for business as usual? Do you think that consumer behavior is only affected by restrictive enforced rules and mandates, or do you think that there is also a physchological factor at play that affects people’s behavior during a pandemic?