Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

12 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Again, belief that it is OK to just let a deadly virus run rampant through our population is wrong thinking, particularly for a health professional with ANY education in public health, is not just a simple opposing opinion. It is evidence of flawed thinking and logic that is counter to the history of pandemic management or science. I'm not trying to insult you personally, but advocating for that push to herd immunity in the absence of an effective vaccine is dangerous and not at all polite.

You don’t have the authority to judge what is right or wrong for me to believe.

macawake, MSN · Jun 29, 2020

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out of context,no valid point noticed,good laugh though,..

Yeah, as a comeback I found it slightly non sequitoresque in nature ?

forgivenfaith119 · Jun 29, 2020

The more the virus is allowed to run rampant, the more likely healthcare workers may be exposed to the virus. Healthcare workers have already died from the virus. There isn't enough PPE. The US had time to prepare and we didn't. I value my health and happiness over money. In my opinion, the US has their priorities backwards. Of course, we can't stay closed forever. Look at Canada, the UK and other developed countries. We are so far into individualism that we are failing. Other countries have a far better quality of life than we do. If we can't take care of our vulnerable, what does that say about us?

toomuchbaloney · Jun 29, 2020

12 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
You don’t have the authority to judge what is right or wrong for me to believe.

When it comes to something as obvious as public health, yeah, I have the knowledge and experience to judge that your opinion in this matter is deeply flawed, not consistent with history or science, and is a dangerous approach to public health during a dangerous pandemic. You may believe what you chose but that doesn't mean that your choice, when posted publicly is above criticism.

macawake, MSN · Jun 29, 2020

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If 1 extra survives and 100 are thrust into lifelong poverty to do so, have you really improved the outcome for society? Or have you just ruined 100 lives to save one person who was either elderly or had co-morbidities like me?

@damiorifice, if that was the choice I’d be more inclined to agree with you. If the 100 became so poor that it seriously threatened their health or lives, that would affect the ethical ”calculation”. But is it an accurate assumption?

Why do you think that each one life saved will result in another one hundred individuals sentenced to lifelong poverty? I happen to think your assumption is incorrect, but of course I can’t prove that. I think you’re basing your entire suggested course of action on a false premise.

The efforts required to slow down the spread of the virus in an attempt to keep the healthcare system functional aren’t that dramatic. And again, this is a virus. It’s a pandemic. We can’t just snap our fingers and declare it over. (I wish). People’s behavior will continue to be affected by it until the outbreak is over.

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

30 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
When it comes to something as obvious as public health, yeah, I have the knowledge and experience to judge that your opinion in this matter is deeply flawed, not consistent with history or science, and is a dangerous approach to public health during a dangerous pandemic. You may believe what you chose but that doesn't mean that your choice, when posted publicly is above criticism.

I didn’t question whether or not you were capable of judging me. I reminded you that your judgment holds no force as you lack authority over me. The whole world shutting down is unprecedented in history, as is the overtly interconnected world we now live in. There are no historical parallels that can match our current level of technological development, understanding of the sciences, or breadth and depth of inter-connectivity of information and communications on a global scale. I am well versed in the sciences and have an intellectual quotient in excess of 172. I am well read in mathematics, statistics, business, biology, Microbiology, inorganic and organic Chemistry, anatomy, physiology, theology, history, socio-economic history, macro and micro economics, computer programming in 14 languages, analog and digital electronics theory and design, architectural design, Greek, Spanish, Latin. Etc. I can read well in four modern languages, one ancient, and can converse fluently in two. My skill set is broad by virtue of insatiable curiosity. I don’t terribly appreciate your implication that I am an uneducated dolt jawing off an opinion simply because your specific knowledge set leads you believe that you are the end all of opinions in the matter. I am more than capable of forming my own opinions, and they are well grounded.

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

23 minutes ago, macawake said:
@damiorifice, if that was the choice I’d be inclined to agree with you. But is it?
Why do you think that each one life saved will result in another one hundred individuals sentenced to lifelong poverty? I happen to think your assumption is incorrect, but of course I can’t prove that.

The efforts required to slow down the spread of the virus in an attempt to keep the healthcare system functional aren’t that dramatic. And again, this is a virus. It’s a pandemic. We can’t just snap our fingers and declare it over. (I wish). People’s behavior will continue to be affected by it until the outbreak is over.

I am more concerned with how this virus will spread when Winter hits and people are battling the cold, flu, and pneumonia at the same time. Our society and economy were already destabilizing horribly after the brief lockdown that already occurred. What kind of powder keg will we face if it happens again and for a longer period of time? I lean toward the idea that letting the young, who have the lowest levels of ACE2 enzyme, catch this virus now and stop being vectors for at least through Winter is the best path forward. Thankfully, their collective social disobedience is resulting in that end goal.

allnurses Guide · Jun 29, 2020

1 hour ago, Leader25 said:
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Dallas/Fort Worth

keldorn, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

25 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
I didn’t question whether or not you were capable of judging me. I reminded you that your judgment holds no force as you lack authority over me. The whole world shutting down is unprecedented in history, as is the overtly interconnected world we now live in. There are no historical parallels that can match our current level of technological development, understanding of the sciences, or breadth and depth of inter-connectivity of information and communications on a global scale. I am well versed in the sciences and have an intellectual quotient in excess of 172. I am well read in mathematics, statistics, business, biology, Microbiology, inorganic and organic Chemistry, anatomy, physiology, theology, history, socio-economic history, macro and micro economics, computer programming in 14 languages, analog and digital electronics theory and design, architectural design, Greek, Spanish, Latin. Etc. I can read well in four modern languages, one ancient, and can converse fluently in two. My skill set is broad by virtue of insatiable curiosity. I don’t terribly appreciate your implication that I am an uneducated dolt jawing off an opinion simply because your specific knowledge set leads you believe that you are the end all of opinions in the matter. I am more than capable of forming my own opinions, and they are well grounded.

I wouldn't bother with nursing, you will be bored and frustrated, cause you have to take care of people whether you think they should be living or not. If you have insatiable curiosity, then you should be pursuing research, and move on to the PhD level in a hard science or medicine, or possibly engineering. With your IQ, you should have already been done with graduate school before you were 30, as my father did when he got his PhD in Chemical Engineering.

Crystal-Wings, LVN · Jun 29, 2020

You probably have the protesters to thank for the resurgence. They don't exactly practice social distancing or wear masks.

macawake, MSN · Jun 29, 2020

20 minutes ago, Crystal-Wings said:
You probably have the protesters to thank for the resurgence. They don't exactly practice social distancing or wear masks.

Have there been many more protests in the South compared to the Northeast?

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

31 minutes ago, keldorn said:
I wouldn't bother with nursing, you will be bored and frustrated, cause you have to take care of people whether you think they should be living or not. If you have insatiable curiosity, then you should be pursuing research, and move on to the PhD level in a hard science or medicine, or possibly engineering. With your IQ, you should have already been done with graduate school before you were 30, as my father did when he got his PhD in Chemical Engineering.

I became homeless when I was 19 and my family refused to help with college. When I was 20 I had a 25 week gestation premie with serious long term complications. I tried everything I could to afford college and take care of my kid, and the military was my final long shot. Then I was horribly injured and between losing the use of my dominant arm, the resultant ptsd, anxiety, agoraphobia, and constant pain from complex regional pain syndrome I couldn’t handle college. I tried. The pain was too much. When I finally recovered enough to suck up and study I did 3 years of undergrad in 2 calendar years with a 4.0. I graduated at the end of 2017. From 2014-2020 I’ve had 4 more kids, moved back from Central America (where I picked up fluency in another language and reading ability in two others) to the United States, helped my wife become a citizen, and moved 4 times. All the while studying in preparation for graduate school. I also did a semester in seminary before deciding to convert to Roman Catholicism; hence reading in an ancient language (Koine/Attic Greek).

I have 4 kids under age 6 right now. I don’t see how I could handle medical school, and my wife has informed me we won’t be moving again so nursing seems like the obvious answer. I’m just hoping at some point Wisconsin gets full practice authority for nurse practitioners.

you are right that I would have loved to be a PhD/md researcher. That was my dream of dreams. Unfortunately that isn’t a possibility now, and they don’t get paid enough for the kind of support I need to provide to my large family (6 children total under 18 as of this moment.)