Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

toomuchbaloney · Jun 29, 2020

41 minutes ago, Crystal-Wings said:
You probably have the protesters to thank for the resurgence. They don't exactly practice social distancing or wear masks.

Yep. Remember the "LIBERATE" protests that the president promoted when states asked people to stay home? And then the holiday weekend celebrations were really important and well attended. That was the weekend of George Floyd's murder, right?

toomuchbaloney · Jun 29, 2020

1 hour ago, damiorifice said:
I didn’t question whether or not you were capable of judging me. I reminded you that your judgment holds no force as you lack authority over me. The whole world shutting down is unprecedented in history, as is the overtly interconnected world we now live in. There are no historical parallels that can match our current level of technological development, understanding of the sciences, or breadth and depth of inter-connectivity of information and communications on a global scale. I am well versed in the sciences and have an intellectual quotient in excess of 172. I am well read in mathematics, statistics, business, biology, Microbiology, inorganic and organic Chemistry, anatomy, physiology, theology, history, socio-economic history, macro and micro economics, computer programming in 14 languages, analog and digital electronics theory and design, architectural design, Greek, Spanish, Latin. Etc. I can read well in four modern languages, one ancient, and can converse fluently in two. My skill set is broad by virtue of insatiable curiosity. I don’t terribly appreciate your implication that I am an uneducated dolt jawing off an opinion simply because your specific knowledge set leads you believe that you are the end all of opinions in the matter. I am more than capable of forming my own opinions, and they are well grounded.

Your opinions on herd immunity in this country with this virus are not well founded. No one, including me, is trying to exert authority over you. What you have expressed here regarding this pandemic doesn't reflect well on your understanding of the scientific principles at play. You are not alone in this flawed thinking, but it is flawed and dangerous nonetheless. Sound public health policy and recommendations are in direct conflict with your expressed ideas and priorities regarding herd immunity and mitigation.

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

Again, idealism vs reality. Ideally everyone would lockdown and the virus would be swiftly eradicated. Everyone would be okay, and the lockdown would have negligible ripple effects on other parts of society.

Reality. People are already rebelling, this virus is here to stay, and attempting to lockdown showed the very unstable economic foundation most Americans function upon. There will be huge economic impact, small business will be devastated, low wage workers will be the most impacted, and the transfer of wealth and power will continue to flow up and not down. Any steps taken to mitigate it will be bought on the backs of a future generation through governmental debt creation.

I’m being realistic about how people will behave. Most people are little better than animals. You can manage them, but attempts to control them will result in rebellion and chaos every time. Intentionally infecting the young as quickly as possible, since they are the least likely to die, is the surest path to reducing vectors for transmission. The elderly and sick can isolate until that goal has been accomplished. With all these protests, beach partying, and bar hopping that the young are engaging in, that goal will soon be achieved.

toomuchbaloney · Jun 29, 2020

1 minute ago, damiorifice said:
Again, idealism vs reality. Ideally everyone would lockdown and the virus would be swiftly eradicated. Everyone would be okay, and the lockdown would have negligible ripple effects on other parts of society.

Reality. People are already rebelling, this virus is here to stay, and attempting to lockdown showed the very unstable economic foundation most Americans function upon. There will be huge economic impact, small business will be devastated, low wage workers will be the most impacted, and the transfer of wealth and power will continue to flow up and not down. Any steps taken to mitigate it will be bought on the backs of a future generation through governmental debt creation.

I’m being realistic about how people will behave. Most people are little better than animals. You can manage them, but attempts to control them will result in rebellion and chaos every time. Intentionally infecting the young as quickly as possible, since they are the least likely to die, is the surest path to reducing vectors for transmission. The elderly and sick can isolate until that goal has been accomplished. With all these protests, beach partying, and bar hopping that the young are engaging in, that goal will soon be achieved.

Is this a defense for the flawed thinking that you've previously shared about herd immunity in this dangerous pandemic?

Subee2, BSN, MSN, CRNA · Jun 29, 2020

36 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
I became homeless when I was 19 and my family refused to help with college. When I was 20 I had a 25 week gestation premie with serious long term complications. I tried everything I could to afford college and take care of my kid, and the military was my final long shot. Then I was horribly injured and between losing the use of my dominant arm, the resultant ptsd, anxiety, agoraphobia, and constant pain from complex regional pain syndrome I couldn’t handle college. I tried. The pain was too much. When I finally recovered enough to suck up and study I did 3 years of undergrad in 2 calendar years with a 4.0. I graduated at the end of 2017. From 2014-2020 I’ve had 4 more kids, moved back from Central America (where I picked up fluency in another language and reading ability in two others) to the United States, helped my wife become a citizen, and moved 4 times. All the while studying in preparation for graduate school. I also did a semester in seminary before deciding to convert to Roman Catholicism; hence reading in an ancient language (Koine/Attic Greek).
I have 4 kids under age 6 right now. I don’t see how I could handle medical school, and my wife has informed me we won’t be moving again so nursing seems like the obvious answer. I’m just hoping at some point Wisconsin gets full practice authority for nurse practitioners.

you are right that I would have loved to be a PhD/md researcher. That was my dream of dreams. Unfortunately that isn’t a possibility now, and they don’t get paid enough for the kind of support I need to provide to my large family (6 children total under 18 as of this moment.)

The pain couldn't have been that bad...you had 6 kids. You will be bored with nursing and it won't pay for a family of 8. You need to do something more lucrative. If you are rhe genius you think you are I think you'd do well in the law because a smart lawyer can go far. Your lack of understanding about herd immunity and disregard for human life doesn't sound like a good mix with nursing. Many of your patients will not be smart people which will drive you crazy.

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

11 minutes ago, Undercat said:
The pain couldn't have been that bad...you had 6 kids. You will be bored with nursing and it won't pay for a family of 8. You need to do something more lucrative. If you are rhe genius you think you are I think you'd do well in the law because a smart lawyer can go far. Your lack of understanding about herd immunity and disregard for human life doesn't sound like a good mix with nursing. Many of your patients will not be smart people which will drive you crazy.

My pain level in my arm was so high that I regularly vomited from it. It didn’t begin to subside until after the first six years. I am allergic to corticosteroids and gabapentin, which left few options to treat it. I also refused to take pain killers as I saw too many of my fellow soldiers become addicts. My wife is the only reason I didn’t check out during that period. You have no concept of what horrifying pain I endured to make it to where I am today.

My wife has investment income that subsidizes us significantly. I also get to keep a 90% rating from the VA which gives another boost monthly. I only drop down from 100% if I go back to work successfully for a year. Anything over 80k a year will more than take care of our needs, even if we have two or three more kids. NP or MD, or bust. I have no other interests. I’d rather just stay retired otherwise.

Law seems so boring.

allnurses Guide · Jun 29, 2020

2 hours ago, Crystal-Wings said:
You probably have the protesters to thank for the resurgence. They don't exactly practice social distancing or wear masks.

I was taking a walk when I walked by the local park and neighbors invited me to join them. They had food on tables and were barbecuing meat. Adults were enjoying a show kids were putting on. One group of children about five or six were singing. I would have enjoyed it, but although most wore masks the audience was shoulder to shoulder. I declined.

I often walk my dogs Duke and Pearl and for years have talked with old men who play cards there. One f them called to me across the street, "Hey Pearl, Where's your dog?" I said, "No dog today."

He called me by my dog's name!

NormaSaline · Jun 30, 2020

2 hours ago, damiorifice said:
Intentionally infecting the young as quickly as possible, since they are the least likely to die, is the surest path to reducing vectors for transmission. The elderly and sick can isolate until that goal has been accomplished. With all these protests, beach partying, and bar hopping that the young are engaging in, that goal will soon be achieved.

And viral load? The young are magically exempt from suffering horrendous effects (death even) with a high viral load? Who controls this sure path to vector reduction? Who ensures that they will get just enough but not too much? How do healthy HCW die from Covid?

Wuzzie · Jun 30, 2020

2 hours ago, damiorifice said:
Intentionally infecting the young as quickly as possible, since they are the least likely to die, is the surest path to reducing vectors for transmission.

Which might work if this virus acted like other corona viruses but so far it has proven to be uncharacteristically unpredictable. The concept of herd immunity is at the “best guess” stage right now and recent discoveries that people may only have antibodies for 2-3 mos is very concerning. We may very well be looking at an illness with no herd immunity which is frightening. While I don’t believe we can cycle shutting down and opening up for economic reasons the very least we can do is freaking wear a mask until we have more information and experience with Covid 19.

The ID physician I work with has posited that we are looking at losing 1.5 million people to this illness. I pay heed to what he says because everything he has predicted has come true so far.

Guest1142305 · Jun 30, 2020

3 minutes ago, NormaSaline said:
And viral load? The young are magically exempt from suffering horrendous effects (death even) with a high viral load? Who controls this sure path to vector reduction? Who ensures that they will get just enough but not too much? How do healthy HCW die from Covid?

By and far few will have a rough go of it. That is what the statistics support. The young are hardly dying at all.

https://www.CDC.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

it makes sense since the virus utilizes ACE2 as its point of entry into cells, and ACE2 increases with age.

https://ccforum.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13054-020-02942-2

3 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:
Which might work if this virus acted like other corona viruses but so far it has proven to be uncharacteristically unpredictable. The concept of herd immunity is at the “best guess” stage right now and recent discoveries that people may only have antibodies for 2-3 mos is very concerning. We may very well be looking at an illness with no herd immunity which is frightening. While I don’t believe we can cycle shutting down and opening up for economic reasons the very least we can do is freaking wear a mask until we have more information and experience with Covid 19.

The ID physician I work with has posited that we are looking at losing 1.5 million people to this illness. I pay heed to what he says because everything he has predicted has come true so far.

Those concerns are certainly warranted; especially with so much obesity and such a robust elderly population in our country. I can’t disagree with that.

toomuchbaloney · Jun 30, 2020

11 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:
Which might work if this virus acted like other corona viruses but so far it has proven to be uncharacteristically unpredictable. The concept of herd immunity is at the “best guess” stage right now and recent discoveries that people may only have antibodies for 2-3 mos is very concerning. We may very well be looking at an illness with no herd immunity which is frightening. While I don’t believe we can cycle shutting down and opening up for economic reasons the very least we can do is freaking wear a mask until we have more information and experience with Covid 19.

The ID physician I work with has posited that we are looking at losing 1.5 million people to this illness. I pay heed to what he says because everything he has predicted has come true so far.

Yes. It's unsettling, to be sure, given that such projections reflect our inability to follow simple 19th century mitigation techniques. Imagine what the projections would be with no masking or social distancing, the way some seem to want it to play out. The Vice President seems to think that only a couple hundred thousand Americans are going to die from COVID.

allnurses Guide · Jun 30, 2020

17 hours ago, Leader25 said:
????????I don't speak abbreviation ....

Sorry! Dallas/Fort Worth