Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

Leader25, ASN, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

Of course itis high and climbing....after allowing huge event is it any surprise.

They have been better at coping than NYC,better food supply and kroger market was into safe spacing and cleaning way better and sooner than NYC and other Markets.

It is a shame the vulnerable will pay the price .

Leader25, ASN, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

On 6/24/2020 at 3:32 PM, Nurse SMS said:
DFW

????????I don't speak abbreviation ....

toomuchbaloney · Jun 29, 2020

26 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
It was a reference to the jump in logic employed by some whom imply that advocating for letting the virus run its course is synonymous with supporting genocide. I personally consider it the lesser of two evils. To each their own.

How is advocating for allowing a deadly virus to run unmitigated through a population a lesser evil than employing effective public health mitigation strategies? "To each his own" doesn't apply when the opinion includes the suffering and death of a significant percentage of the American population. With COVID disproportionately killing poor, non white and native populations, as well as those "takers" the SS and Medicare recipients, any suggestion to just encourage more of that COVID spread does, in fact, sound a touch genocidal.

macawake, MSN · Jun 29, 2020

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It was a reference to the jump in logic employed by some whom imply that advocate for letting the virus run its course is synonymous with supporting genocide. I personally consider the lesser of two evils. To each their own.

I personally wouldn’t use words like genocide. I seldom find language like that very productive when having a discussion or disagreement. There is no easy solution to the pandemic. I can’t see into the future so I can’t say with certainty what the correct course of action is.

However, what I do know for myself is that I think that it would be a bad choice to just let the virus spread with no attempt to slow it down. I think the consequences would be really bad. It wouldn’t be over in three weeks, or whatever another poster suggested (in one of the other Covid threads I think?) and then we reach herd immunity.

A completely uncontrolled spread would disproportionally affect the poor. The virus already does. Food supply and many of the other vital functions in society would likely be affected as many people became sick in a short period of time. Herd immunity is far from a sure thing. That remains to be seen. And there’s a very real risk that the healthcare system would collapse. Unless we just send people presenting at the ER with respiratory/infectious symtoms packing. And that to me isn’t an acceptable option if we can spread out the time of infection so that we manage to stay ”under the curve”. But that’s just my 0.02.

Leader25, ASN, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

On 6/26/2020 at 6:15 AM, happygal56 said:
Why in the world did you vote straight Democrat in 2018? Couldn't you already see then what they were? Or did it take Covid to clue you in?

Better late than never.....

Leader25, ASN, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

On 6/26/2020 at 11:34 AM, JadedCPN said:
versus protests where there are larger groups but the majority of people are wearing masks

surely you jest!!

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

5 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
How is advocating for allowing a deadly virus to run unmitigated through a population a lesser evil than employing effective public health mitigation strategies? "To each his own" doesn't apply when the opinion includes the suffering and death of a significant percentage of the American population. With COVID disproportionately killing poor, non white and native populations, as well as those "takers" the SS and Medicare recipients, any suggestion to just encourage more of that COVID spread does, in fact, sound a touch genocidal.

This is exactly the gas-lighting I was talking about. I am an ssdi and Medicare recipient, and COVID nearly killed me. That doesn’t change my stance that I believe long term economic catastrophe and the resultant poverty is worse than allowing swift spread and associated deaths. If 1 extra survives and 100 are thrust into lifelong poverty to do so, have you really improved the outcome for society? Or have you just ruined 100 lives to save one person who was either elderly or had co-morbidities like me?

Leader25, ASN, BSN, RN · Jun 29, 2020

On 6/27/2020 at 9:41 AM, NormaSaline said:
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters"
"I don't kid"

out of context,no valid point noticed,good laugh though,..

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

17 minutes ago, Leader25 said:
????????I don't speak abbreviation ....

I think dfw is Dallas Fort Worth

toomuchbaloney · Jun 29, 2020

5 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
This is exactly the gas-lighting I was talking about. I am an ssdi and Medicare recipient, and COVID nearly killed me. That doesn’t change my stance that I believe long term economic catastrophe and the resultant poverty is worse than allowing swift spread and associated deaths. If 1 extra survives and 100 are thrust into lifelong poverty to do so, have you really improved the outcome for society? Or have you just ruined 100 lives to save one person who was either elderly or had co-morbidities like me?

Gas lighting?

The virus running rampant across the globe is the cause of the economic woes...not the mitigation. The choices the government makes regarding economic response to the virus will determine the long term economic effects on the working classes. Will the government bail out the wealthy or the poor?

I don't agree with either your thinking or examples. Asking people to mask when out and social distance isn't trading anyone's life for another.

Guest1142305 · Jun 29, 2020

Just now, toomuchbaloney said:
Gas lighting?
The virus running rampant across the globe is the cause is the economic woes...not the mitigation. The choices the government makes regarding economic response to the virus will determine the long term economic effects on the working classes. Will the government bail out the wealthy or the poor?
I don't agree with your either or thinking or examples. Asking people to mask when out and social distance isn't trading anyone's life for another.

You are entitled to hold your opinion, just as I am entitled to hold my opposing opinion. In this free society, neither of us can be forced to bow down to the opinion of another or have our liberties dictated by another.

This is where in a polite society, we agree to disagree.

toomuchbaloney · Jun 29, 2020

Just now, damiorifice said:
You are entitled to hold your opinion, just as I am entitled to hold my opposing opinion. In this free society, neither of us can be forced to bow down to the opinion of another or have our liberties dictated by another.
This is where in a polite society, we agree to disagree.

Again, belief that it is OK to just let a deadly virus run rampant through our population is wrong thinking, particularly for a health professional with ANY education in public health, is not just a simple opposing opinion. It is evidence of flawed thinking and logic that is counter to the history of pandemic management or science. I'm not trying to insult you personally, but advocating for that push to herd immunity in the absence of an effective vaccine is dangerous and not at all polite.