Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

pixierose, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

2 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
That's flat-out wrong. Thank heavens Governor Abbott will ensure that the businesses won't close. The Texas Education Agency (TEA) has been adamant that in-person classes for the fall WILL happen at all public schools. And the death rate has essentially collapsed (probably because the virus has gotten weaker).

Prizing individual autonomy over social responsibility is what has contributed to driving the the U.S. death rate so high as compared to other countries.

Such a bunch of snowflakes.

And, yes, the death rate has decreased - however, COVID presents with long-term complications. This is why I question you working on a COVID unit; it’s not only death, it’s the recovery afterward (I.e., scarring of the lungs, heart damage, neurological defects).

I do find it fascinating that the very party that has made mandatory masking political (yes, Trump has politicized it) is also the very party that feels the need to control a woman’s uterus ... but that’s another thread.

Some links about mask wearing (again) that you won’t read (again).

https://www.Google.com/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-why-wearing-masks-controversial/amp

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-06/uoc-wfu060920.php

https://voxeu.org/article/unmasked-effect-face-masks-spread-covid-19

allnurses Guide · Jul 8, 2020

23 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
I have no illusion that the president was incompetent. I think he knew full well what he was doing, and that most of our leaders and consequently most CEO type people are sociopaths. He weighed the options and decided economic supremacy outweighed the lives of the elderly, obese, diabetic, and irresponsible. Simple as that. Now there is less burden in Medicare, social security, and there will be more inheritance to spread around to the next generation. It’s awful, it sucks, but that’s what happened.

This is absolutely right unfortunately. I would add that the economy is not the primary motivator it is simply a means to an end: the real motivator is re-election and the economy is vital to that.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 8, 2020

25 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
So..... China good? Faultless, blameless? It’s easy to armchair preach about how world leaders more qualified than ourselves should do their jobs. It’s much harder to look at the whole picture and be rational about it.

Sometimes leaders decide to say and do things they know might not be sound because if they say and do what the really want, people would be more outraged. If I were in his shoes and decided the best route was Sweden’s,response, but there was no way I could get a divided Congress to go along with me, I would certainly use my position to influence the masses in the direction I wanted.

‘I have no illusion that the president was incompetent. I think he knew full well what he was doing, and that most of our leaders and consequently most CEO type people are sociopaths. He weighed the options and decided economic supremacy outweighed the lives of the elderly, obese, diabetic, and irresponsible. Simple as that. Now there is less burden in Medicare, social security, and there will be more inheritance to spread around to the next generation. It’s awful, it sucks, but that’s what happened.

The point is that no matter China's errors or miscalculations or nefarious planning, Trump is solely to blame for the American response to the virus. It was Trump's job. He blew it. His poor judgement and transactional POV are killing Americans and collapsing our economy. This is Trump's mess.

allnurses Guide · Jul 8, 2020

2 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
But it's at the business owner's private discretion what the policy is, right? It's not imposed by government officials sending law enforcement authorities out in the public space to mandate what people must wear, eh?

Where did you see federal law enforcement being deployed to enforce masks?

If you walk down the street naked I bet the local PD will be showing up relatively quickly.

Guest1142305 · Jul 8, 2020

1 minute ago, BostonFNP said:
This is absolutely right unfortunately. I would add that the economy is not the primary motivator it is simply a means to an end: the real motivator is re-election and the economy is vital to that.

It’s good to remember we aren’t all wired the same haha. It seems like 99% of people in positions of leadership and power have next to no conscience.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

2 minutes ago, pixierose said:
Prizing individual autonomy over social responsibility is what has contributed to driving the the U.S. death rate so high as compared to other countries.

We're Americans. Individual liberty is a cornerstone of our American identity. Go move to a more collectivist country if that's what you want.

4 minutes ago, pixierose said:
And, yes, the death rate has decreased - however, COVID presents with long-term complications

So what? Eating unhealthy foods presents long term complications. We don't have law enforcement throw you out of McDonald's if they deem you too fat. That is why individual responsibility is so important. No government is going to dictate to you how you should live your life. That is the nature of freedom.

5 minutes ago, pixierose said:
This is why I question you working on a COVID unit

Fine. Then I have to question whether they teach American civics or the concept of liberty in Connecticut.

6 minutes ago, pixierose said:
I do find it fascinating that the very party that has made mandatory masking political (yes, Trump has politicized it) is also the very party that feels the need to control a woman’s uterus ... but that’s another thread.

I truly do not care about the abortion thing. Have as many abortions as you want! Just don't tell me how to live my own life.

7 minutes ago, pixierose said:
Some links about mask wearing (again) that you won’t read (again).

Here's some pearls of wisdom from the Surgeon General back in the pre-science "dark ages" of Leap Year 2020:

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

8 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:
Where did you see federal law enforcement being deployed to enforce masks?
If you walk down the street naked I bet the local PD will be showing up relatively quickly.

Let's not act naive. Fauci and his ilk are pressuring Democrat politicians to enforce their recommendations with an iron fist. It's like Mafia ... "We're making you an offer you can't refuse!"

toomuchbaloney · Jul 8, 2020

20 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
It’s good to remember we aren’t all wired the same haha. It seems like 99% of people in positions of leadership and power have next to no conscience.

If we are going by anecdotal experience then I will say that, no, that's not my experience at all with 99% of people in leadership positions.

allnurses Guide · Jul 8, 2020

3 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
That just happened in Sweden and their death rate is a fraction of ours. Two of the leaders in the death rate - New York and California - had some of the most severe restrictions on individual liberty imaginable.

Our scientists and especially our Front line physicians, nurses, and respiratory therapists have learned from colleagues has well as contributing to our knowledge of how to best treat COVID-19. Our death rate is likely improved due to proning, Dexamethesone, other improvements.

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... Sweden's COVID-19 infection rate of 43.2 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants is lower than Spain's (58.1) and Italy's (55.4), but is higher than reported rates in the United States (32.1) and Brazil (14.3), according to Johns Hopkins University... June 4th 2020
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/06/04/coronavirus-sweden-admits-herd-immunity-strategy-could-improved/3142761001/

Sweden’s controversial decision increased COVID-19 deaths Jul 6 2020

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200706/Swedene28099s-controversial-decision-increased-COVID-19-deaths.aspx

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Sweden's Covid experiment is now a certified failure Jul 08, 2020
Sweden gained nothing from less social distancing restrictions. Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better. “They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”...
https://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/swedens-covid-experiment-is-now-a-certified-failure-202007080209

Guest1142305 · Jul 8, 2020

12 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
If we are going by anecdotal experience then I will say that, no, that's not my experience at all with 99% of people in leadership positions.

I thought the hyperbole was implicit. But yeah, lucky you, my experiences with people in positions of power and leadership have by and far been negative.

Guest1142305 · Jul 8, 2020

Sweden is looking at the long term impact, and they disagree with the hype in the media.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-28/sweden-s-covid-expert-says-the-world-still-doesn-t-understand

I am interested to see how it plays out in 3-5 years. It’s impossible to make anything but conjecture statements at this point about how their method was inferior or superior. I bet their people are a lot happier and I don’t remember seeing people in Sweden rioting in the streets and burning their own history down to the ground.....

pixierose, BSN, RN · Jul 9, 2020

2 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
We're Americans. Individual liberty is a cornerstone of our American identity. Go move to a more collectivist country if that's what you want.
So what? Eating unhealthy foods presents long term complications. We don't have law enforcement throw you out of McDonald's if they deem you too fat. That is why individual responsibility is so important. No government is going to dictate to you how you should live your life. That is the nature of freedom.
Fine. Then I have to question whether they teach American civics or the concept of liberty in Connecticut.
I truly do not care about the abortion thing. Have as many abortions as you want! Just don't tell me how to live my own life.
Here's some pearls of wisdom from the Surgeon General back in the pre-science "dark ages" of Leap Year 2020:

You clearly didn’t read any of the articles I posted, as the Surgeon General’s quote is non applicable at this point in time. It’s a tired argument.

A few odd things about your post:

Eating unhealthy food is not equivalent to a communicable disease; I can’t “catch” the diabetes from you.

Individual liberty does not dismiss personal responsibility. Interestingly, the very definition of liberty is “the responsible use of freedom under the rule of law without depriving anyone else of their freedom.” Note: “responsible.” Americans have such a strange definition of liberty; they note the first definition (“the ability to do as one pleases”) but entirely neglect that second part.

I find it weirdly dismissive that someone refuses to put on a mask but oddly wants to have a say in a woman’s reproductive right - because, interestingly many of your more conservative lawmakers are in this very position. And, yes, I’ll put this in there as a tidbit because it’s applicable.

I wear a mask to protect fellow Americans. It’s the patriotic, most unselfish thing to do. Those who say “don’t like it or move” are the unpatriotic ones who clearly misunderstood their definitions.