Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

16 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:
Requiring a facial covering is not an assault on civil liberty any more than a "no shoes, no shirt, no service" policy is.

But it's at the business owner's private discretion what the policy is, right? It's not imposed by government officials sending law enforcement authorities out in the public space to mandate what people must wear, eh?

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

2 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:
We've seen the no masks, let everyone roam about without a care in the world, etc. It has amounted to 3 million + covid cases in the US, many since states opened back up under political pressure, avoiding scientific advice.

That just happened in Sweden and their death rate is a fraction of ours. Two of the leaders in the death rate - New York and California - had some of the most severe restrictions on individual liberty imaginable.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

5 hours ago, BostonFNP said:
This is why we need to trust scientists and not partisan mouthpieces.

It wasn't Trump's job to lower the Corona fatality rate. It was Fauci's and Redfield's. Trump isn't the head of the CDC, isn't the head of the infectious diseases department. The federal bureaucrats failed. Fauci should have been fired long ago.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

2 hours ago, pixierose said:
Rights =\ lack of responsibility. We are seeing first hand how “responsible” those in Texas, or Florida, have been ... and what it has led to.

It has led to a fraction of the death rate in nanny states like New York and California. You're welcome.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 8, 2020

1 hour ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
It wasn't Trump's job to lower the Corona fatality rate. It was Fauci's and Redfield's. Trump isn't the head of the CDC, isn't the head of the infectious diseases department. The federal bureaucrats failed. Fauci should have been fired long ago.

Yes, it was.

Trump is the head of the federal government. Trump decided that all CDC messaging would have to be approved through the office of the VP. Trump decoded that politics and political messaging was front and center in this pandemic. Trump was the political leader criticizing states for enacting mitigation efforts, he encouraged rebellion and "liberation" from masking and social distancing. Trump said it would be gone by Summer. He refused to wear a mask or model that recommended behavior, even when visiting environments where masking was essential to the cleanliness of the manufacturing process and products.

This is Trump's circus. The need to blame every underling for his incompetent performance is getting tiresome and certainly not indicative of actual leadership.

Guest1142305 · Jul 8, 2020

The blame for this pandemic lays with the global threat of China. They are not freedom loving. They are oppressive to their people. Look what they have done in Hong Kong and their expansive military posture and threats to Taiwan. They allowed this outbreak to spread to the world so they wouldn’t be the only country to suffer economically.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/04/09/Coronavirus-Critics-ask-why-China-allowed-flights-out-of-Hubei-during-outbreak

In deference to our President, he said they were a dangerous competitor on the world stage.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 8, 2020

4 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
The blame for this pandemic lays with the global threat of China. They are not freedom loving. They are oppressive to their people. Look what they have done in Hong Kong and their expansive military posture and threats to Taiwan. They allowed this outbreak to spread to the world so they wouldn’t be the only country to suffer economically.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/04/09/Coronavirus-Critics-ask-why-China-allowed-flights-out-of-Hubei-during-outbreak
In deference to our President, he said they were a dangerous competitor on the world stage.

Trump is the president of the USA. This is his pandemic response. His team slow walked this anemic response. His team sent confusing messaging to the masses resulting in widespread noncompliance with mitigation for no good reason. Trump was offering verbal nonsense and propaganda while Europe was infecting the east coast.

It takes some arrogance for the world leader with the weakest and most incompetent management of a pandemic within his own country to throw shade at some other person's performance. I'm not certain what it takes to ignore Trump's incompetence in this matter in order to be angry with someone else.

Guest1142305 · Jul 8, 2020

3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Trump is the president of the USA. This is his pandemic response. His team slow walked this anemic response. His team sent confusing messaging to the masses resulting in widespread noncompliance with mitigation for no good reason. Trump was offering verbal nonsense and propaganda while Europe was infecting the east coast.
It takes some arrogance for the world leader with the weakest and most incompetent management of a pandemic within his own country to throw shade at some other person's performance. I'm not certain what it takes to ignore Trump's incompetence in this matter in order to be angry with someone else.

So..... China good? Faultless, blameless? It’s easy to armchair preach about how world leaders more qualified than ourselves should do their jobs. It’s much harder to look at the whole picture and be rational about it.

Sometimes leaders decide to say and do things they know might not be sound because if they say and do what the really want, people would be more outraged. If I were in his shoes and decided the best route was Sweden’s,response, but there was no way I could get a divided Congress to go along with me, I would certainly use my position to influence the masses in the direction I wanted.

‘I have no illusion that the president was incompetent. I think he knew full well what he was doing, and that most of our leaders and consequently most CEO type people are sociopaths. He weighed the options and decided economic supremacy outweighed the lives of the elderly, obese, diabetic, and irresponsible. Simple as that. Now there is less burden in Medicare, social security, and there will be more inheritance to spread around to the next generation. It’s awful, it sucks, but that’s what happened.

allnurses Guide · Jul 8, 2020

2 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
It wasn't Trump's job to lower the Corona fatality rate. It was Fauci's and Redfield's. Trump isn't the head of the CDC, isn't the head of the infectious diseases department. The federal bureaucrats failed. Fauci should have been fired long ago.

I hope you aren't serious about that statement: it is absolutely the POUTS job. Dr. Fauci's and Refield's job is to provide expert recommendations; it is the job of POTUS and state governors to use the authority we the people granted them to utilize those recommendations to protect the citizens.

Moreover, Trump has either ignorantly or maliciously gone against these recommendations and had threatened governors to extort them into not following them, further shouldering the blame/responsibility squarely on him.

These really are not debatable points; they are fact and can be readily seen on display in press briefings and tweets.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

1 minute ago, BostonFNP said:
Dr. Fauci's and Refield's job is to provide expert recommendations; it is the job of POTUS and state governors to use the authority we the people granted them to utilize those recommendations to protect the citizens.

Wrong. The political officials' authority does not supersede our rights in the U.S. Constitution. Moreover, the so-called "experts" can only provide consultative advice. If the politicians don't want to implement that advice, that is within their purview to do so. We can be protected just fine without Fauci's history of repeated failures. Fauci is to infectious disease what Mike Brown was to FEMA during Hurricane Katrina.

At any rate, we in this country still have liberty of movement (thankfully). If someone loves fines and quarantines so much, they are welcome to leave freedom-loving areas of this country. Last I checked on Google Flights, they have one-way tickets to Boston from Houston for those who can't hack us making our own life choices.

allnurses Guide · Jul 8, 2020

2 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:
That just happened in Sweden and their death rate is a fraction of ours. Two of the leaders in the death rate - New York and California - had some of the most severe restrictions on individual liberty imaginable.

Have you followed what's going on in Sweden? They had 27% more fatalities than Norway and their economy fared no better.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 8, 2020

Just now, BostonFNP said:
Have you followed what's going on in Sweden? They had 27% more fatalities than Norway and their economy fared no better.

What was Sweden's fatality rate vs. New York and/or California?