Termination From Employer For Refusing EUV

[RaineyRN7]

I am an Oncology nurse working for a hospital for more than 13 years. I live in California and there is now a mandate in place that is requiring me to be vaccinated before Sept. 30th or I will be terminated from my job. Not only do I not feel comfortable to receive a EUV that no long term studies have been documented because it is too new and not FDA approved but I have also witnessed friends as well as patients having severe side effects after receiving vaccination.

I am unclear how an employer has the LEGAL RIGHT to ask me personal questions about my religious beliefs or medical information (vaccination status), where are my HIPAA Rights. Employer vaccine mandates are subject to religious accommodation under the Title VII of the Civil rights act. For personal reasons I will be submitting for religious exemption to hopefully prevent me from losing my job. 

I'm not sure what the outcome will be but I am planning to seek employment elsewhere in case I do lose my job and likely it won't be in healthcare. I don't know if this will be the end of my nursing career and if it is I feel extremely sad about that. 

What happened to the phrase " my body my choice " ? 

I will not be forced to do anything to my body that I do not choose.

 Through scripture we know that God values our bodies. Our bodies are said to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, and we are called to take care of and honor God's temple. God's words lead use to use our bodies and the gifts He has given us to achieve the will of God.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

3 hours ago, Ernest said:

 In case you do not know, the J&J therapy uses an attenuated adenovirus to insert a gene into your own cell's DNA to then have that cell manufacture a foreign protein.  The exact same thing a virus does. So to take that therapy, I must now technically become "part" virus.

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The Johnson and Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is a Viral Vector vaccine. According to the Centers For Disease Control and Protection, “the genetic material delivered by the viral vector does not integrate into a person’s DNA.”

https://www.wbtv.com/2021/03/03/vaccine-team-will-covid-vaccine-change-my-dna/

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 COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way. Both mRNA and viral vector COVID-19 vaccines deliver instructions (genetic material) to our cells to start building protection against the virus that causes COVID-19. However, the material never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept.

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

[MunoRN, RN]

6 hours ago, Ernest said:

People keep making judgments about the vaccine while leaving out the controversial aspect.  I can be perfectly fine with vaccines, but vehemently disagree with either altering the DNA of my cells or my cells' protein production capacity.  In case you do not know, the J&J therapy uses an attenuated adenovirus to insert a gene into your own cell's DNA to then have that cell manufacture a foreign protein.  The exact same thing a virus does. So to take that therapy, I must now technically become "part" virus.

The Pfizer vaccine model uses your cells' ribosomes to produce viral proteins.  It bypasses the DNA step, but is still the same.  Once your cells begin producing a foreign protein, when does it stop.  Regardless of the answer, the work of the cell's DNA is being co-opted to produce the proteins of some other organism that is non-human. 

Furthermore, in order to convince so many governments, individuals and human institutions to agree to this, the persons in authority have had to leave out many salient details and convince people to "believe" in both the pandemic and the treatment with blind faith in a way we do not "believe" about other similar infections such as the flu. 

So, one person's belief in the "system" is not superior to another person's belief in not trusting the system or in trusting God or their religious convictions. 

I realize that new or rapidly advancing medical technologies can easily be seen as being so far out there that any dystopian description of how they work seems believable.  But if anything the way in which newer generation vaccines have advanced is they more closely resemble the naturally occurring immune responses that happen every day.

None of the vaccines alter or are capable of altering your own DNA.  They also don't"insert a gene into you cell's DNA".

As for becoming part virus, you already are.  At any given time there are a few hundred trillion viruses in and on your body.  Some primarily interact with the bacteria in and on you, but the rest routinely hijack your own cells for their own purposes, many of which are essential to normal body functioning.

The main goal of all vaccines has been to introduce the target antigen to your immune system with as little extra foreign material as possible, mRNA vaccines do this better than any previously existing vaccine.

As for not believing the pandemic exists, I've put two patients in bags today, one in his mind 30's so I'm not really up for entertaining those sorts of delusions.

[ComeTogether, LPN]

Its not possible for the MRNA vaccines to cause long term effects, as the only thing in them is MRNA and organic ingredients. Our bodies destroy the MRNA shortly after it speaks to our DNA, leaving nothing behind.  Any side effects are immune responses, and happen within days or weeks, after that you're in the clear.  (Adverse effects are exceedingly rare)

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

18 hours ago, Ernest said:

People keep making judgments about the vaccine while leaving out the controversial aspect.  I can be perfectly fine with vaccines, but vehemently disagree with either altering the DNA of my cells or my cells' protein production capacity.  In case you do not know, the J&J therapy uses an attenuated adenovirus to insert a gene into your own cell's DNA to then have that cell manufacture a foreign protein.  The exact same thing a virus does. So to take that therapy, I must now technically become "part" virus.

The Pfizer vaccine model uses your cells' ribosomes to produce viral proteins.  It bypasses the DNA step, but is still the same.  Once your cells begin producing a foreign protein, when does it stop.  Regardless of the answer, the work of the cell's DNA is being co-opted to produce the proteins of some other organism that is non-human. 

Furthermore, in order to convince so many governments, individuals and human institutions to agree to this, the persons in authority have had to leave out many salient details and convince people to "believe" in both the pandemic and the treatment with blind faith in a way we do not "believe" about other similar infections such as the flu. 

So, one person's belief in the "system" is not superior to another person's belief in not trusting the system or in trusting God or their religious convictions. 

Ernest,  non of us here are virologists or immunological,  but it doesn't take a PhD to know what you just wrote here is ca-ca so maybe you should just stick to your nursing studies and writing skills.

[klone, MSN, RN]

20 hours ago, Ernest said:

People keep making judgments about the vaccine while leaving out the controversial aspect.  I can be perfectly fine with vaccines, but vehemently disagree with either altering the DNA of my cells or my cells' protein production capacity.  In case you do not know, the J&J therapy uses an attenuated adenovirus to insert a gene into your own cell's DNA to then have that cell manufacture a foreign protein.  The exact same thing a virus does. So to take that therapy, I must now technically become "part" virus.

The Pfizer vaccine model uses your cells' ribosomes to produce viral proteins.  It bypasses the DNA step, but is still the same.  Once your cells begin producing a foreign protein, when does it stop.  Regardless of the answer, the work of the cell's DNA is being co-opted to produce the proteins of some other organism that is non-human. 

Furthermore, in order to convince so many governments, individuals and human institutions to agree to this, the persons in authority have had to leave out many salient details and convince people to "believe" in both the pandemic and the treatment with blind faith in a way we do not "believe" about other similar infections such as the flu. 

So, one person's belief in the "system" is not superior to another person's belief in not trusting the system or in trusting God or their religious convictions. 

Dude. Where the *** did you get this information??

Go back to your nursing school books, man. 

[iNurs5, CNA]

On 8/29/2021 at 8:32 AM, ORNurseDewd said:

Oh, Subee...

Please don't wait for someone else to carry your water for you! Tell me, in your own words, where you think my train derailed or where/how my original response was illogical. Don't have to be at work until 0600 tomorrow - so I've got time to wait.

JW 

 

My bro-in-law vaccinated my niece and nephew. Both those are in gifted schools.  My other nephew is also in a gifted school. They weren't afraid of the vaccines. 

Why do you think he got his children vaccinated as if he wanted to destroy their DNAs? 

[iNurs5, CNA]

23 hours ago, macawake said:

There is no polite way to say this. Do you realize how completely nuts the above quote sounds? 

Who do you imagine the people who have authority over all the world’s governments are? 
 

This makes me wonder how you sound when you have a cold? I’m invaded by non-human organisms? Such drama. Non-human organism… ?

I’m curious, do you consider your gut microbiome human organisms? OMG, trillions of non-human organisms crawling around our digestive systems ?

I apologize for mocking your post, but it is just too much. There’s a limit to the amount of silliness I can take. Or should I say stomach ?

And the viruses they already have in their body. ? 

[iNurs5, CNA]

 

On 8/13/2021 at 5:44 PM, macawake said:

You insisting that the Nuremburg Code is applicable, doesn’t make it so.

They think it's a list of grocery. I apologize talking this tone. They need to read with understanding codified laws and others. 

[saltymermaid, ADN]

On 8/25/2021 at 11:28 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

It's not a given that members or readers here are RNS.  Further, it is disrespectful to work in close contact with others while refusing to vaccinate against a deadly contagion that is currently in pandemic status.  It's also not evidence of critical thought, sound reasoning or altruism.

I meant in the workplace. I’m assuming my fellow nurse coworkers legally have RN behind their name.  ?‍♀️  As for this forum, you can forget about respect. Hardly any one shows respect here. “Nurses” throwing shade at other “nurses” all the time. That’s why I rarely get on here anymore. People are mean. 

[Charlcie, BSN, RN]

On 8/13/2021 at 8:07 PM, Alex Kowalcyk said:

Coercion, fraud, and/or deceit in relation to informed consent for participating in human medical experimentation is a violation of the Nuremberg Code.

You can choose not to be vaccinated. When they start tying people down and vaccinating them against their will or throwing them in prison, it will be a violation of the nuremburg code. 

[lifelearningrn, BSN, RN]

Since it's no longer an EAV, shouldn't it be moot, at this point?

[emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

16 hours ago, Charlcie said:

You can choose not to be vaccinated. When they start tying people down and vaccinating them against their will or throwing them in prison, it will be a violation of the nuremburg code. 

I bolded the section above because I’d like you to show me who exactly is advocating doing this. It’s a decent gambit if you are trying to elicit an emotional response in a debate but nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated. Private companies are requiring it and that’s their prerogative.

And have you read the nuremburg code? It absolutely states that free will is essential to deciding on a treatment but it also says  “[t]his code also recognizes that the risk must be weighed against the expected benefit”.

http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/