SICK of BSN Pedestal

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year universities instead? Why doesnt the BSN itself advance? Because taking an extra gym glass doesnt deserve it. Look at all the worthless pre reqs that you BSN's are taking over the ADN. It isnt making you a better nurse its all about the money the school systems are a business. We need to change the education system. SWAP out that spanish you are going to forget the second after the test and take some critical thinking. Be gone with that Open elective to take baking class and replace it with PSYCH. The problem is the ADN is a efficient degree with time/pre-reqs and the BSN is created to give the "big man" money. Sorry if you wasted 100k in debt.

why are hospitals going magnet? because the universities are lobbiest to the hospitals. Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.

IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.

Sorry to bring up the dead, but I found this thread looking for something else. And all I have to say is, my MSN/ MBA degrees trumps all of you BSN's !

hahahaha I'm kidding because this thread is so ridiculous. Spoken by a nurse who got an ADN, then a BSN and now in school for a dual masters.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.
Wow... Bitter much?? I'm sorry - but I'm tired of people trying to dumb down the BSN. How can more education be a bad thing?? Do I think having a BSN makes me a better nurse than an ADN? NO! I was trained by an AMAZING ADN preceptor & work alongside many fantastic ADN nurses. But am I proud of earning my bachelor degree? HELL YES! It makes me angry that this is always such a hot topic for debate. Why judge someone for continuing their own education? And for the record - it was not just "an extra PE class" that earned me that degree! That's just an ignorant statement to make & it's offensive. I have yet to hear a BSN nurse make derogatory comments toward ADN nurses...because quite honestly, I don't believe that most BSN nurses consider it an issue, but damned if I don't constantly see a new thread on AN nearly every week bashing nurses who went for their BSN. It's all so petty and not conducive to the work environment at all! Sorry to come across harsh - it's just frustrating to be made to feel like I need to constantly defend my hard earned degree. I am proud of it, just as an ADN should be proud of theirs.

You are mostly right. But yes, I do hear BSNs voicing the belief that they are better nurses. And no, no one thinks it's a bad thing to want more education. The problem is that a lot of BSN programs are just expensive naked emperors. I've precepted many new BSN nurses that I believe have been royally ripped off by their schools. And some have indeed received a stellar education for their money.

But it's still very inconsistent and there's still a lot of unfounded hype. (And please don't quote those dodgy studies.) When I see standardization among BSN programs and feel certain I'd get my money's worth, I'll be next in line. But I do recommend new nurses find a way to get their BSN; either first or in addition to ADN. Times are what they are. Just try to get the best bang for your education buck.

Healthcare /nursing/medicine hasn't changed at al in the past 20 years.

And nurses who graduated 20 years ago have learned something new on the job each and every day of those 20 years.

Just because a nurse graduated 20 years ago and hasn't went to school since, that doesn't automatically mean their practice is out of date. As the field evolved, so have they.

I would argue that knowledge comes from experience every bit as much as it comes from education.

Specializes in Critical Care/Vascular Access.

who cares? let your actions speak louder than words. I have my ADN and am often charging over many BSN nurses. Not saying I'm a better nurse, just that it doesn't matter. Education is what the student makes of it, and a job is what the employee makes of it. I've seen BSN nurses that scare the crap out of me, and ASN nurses who I'd trust my life to, and the other way around.

Although I will admit I plan to finish the BSN just because I fear hospitals are tending to lean in that direction more and more.......

"Because an extra gym class doesn't deserve.it." --- Omy gosh. While that might not be exactly true, it was funny as hell and I really needed a good laugh. Thanks, fellow ADN :roflmao:

Specializes in LTC, Psych, M/S.

Like a PP pointed out, there needs to be standardization of the BSN programs, particularly the online ones.

While all traditional ADN/BSN programs are regulated by the state BON and are "judged" by their NCLEX pass rates, what accountablity standards are there for RN-BSN programs?

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
And nurses who graduated 20 years ago have learned something new on the job each and every day of those 20 years.

Just because a nurse graduated 20 years ago and hasn't went to school since, that doesn't automatically mean their practice is out of date. As the field evolved, so have they.

I would argue that knowledge comes from experience every bit as much as it comes from education.

You took this post in the wrong context. Take a look back at the original post: it was a response to the argument that additional class work shouldn't be needed for students now because it wasn't needed 29 years ago. In my opinion, there is much much more to learn now.

A 2 year degree is a vocational degree. It's a practical degree - An associate of a professional. I'm not putting any ADN's down, I'm saying that is what an Associates Degree is designed for. . That's why it's a BACHELOR's degree. Masters- You've mastered your subject. I could keep going. So, why is the associate degree- the vocational school prepared degree, not for a LPN? The bachelor, the professional, an RN? I hope the idea gets through.

This is old,i know.

Are you saying that an Associates Degree should be for Lpn's and the Bachelor's for Rn's?

Specializes in Post Anesthesia.

Be thankful it is only BSN. In my area 1 Nurse in 4 is going back for thier MSN. Ther are even 3-4 PhD Nursing programs with a good following. In this area a BSN is what the lazy, non-motivated, sheep get for thier education. It dosen't matter if you have no use for a MSN-if you aren't "working on it" you just aren't a true professional.

Specializes in LTC, Psych, M/S.
Be thankful it is only BSN. In my area 1 Nurse in 4 is going back for thier MSN. Ther are even 3-4 PhD Nursing programs with a good following. In this area a BSN is what the lazy, non-motivated, sheep get for thier education. It dosen't matter if you have no use for a MSN-if you aren't "working on it" you just aren't a true professional.

It is so sad that nurses have this kind of opinion of one another.

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

Hope 3456. Not to worry. I don't believe a word of that post. Very few nurses go for PhD's. Most terminal degrees are going to be DNS's or practice degrees, and from the dumbing down that I see occurring all programs, the dumbing-down will certainly evolve into dumbing-up in those cases.

Specializes in Pediatrics.

I will be doing a concurrent enrollment, going through the ADN program and at the same time going through a BSN program. The pre-reqs for the BSN are things like Nutrition and Psych and Statistics. Hardly gym class or baking! lol And I will be damn proud to have my BSN, knowing that I did the extra work, and will be able to move on and get my NP or CRNA. :)

And the entire program, include pre-reqs and both ADN and BSN programs, will only cost me $22k :)

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