SORRY - i have to rant about this. I don't want to start a fight- and I'm not going to generalize about all BSN or ADN programs. They have to be evaluated individually on their own merits but....... The constant arguement over ADN vs BSN is driving me crazy!!!! People act like I've really got a choice- like I can just walk out and "get" either one. ya right.
I am a 36yo pre-nursing student at a CC (in greater OKC metro). I have a previous BS in a science. I still have pre-reqs to do and support course to finish just to be competitive. & believe me- competition is HIGH- even for the lowly ADN Last semester there were 300 applicants for 50 spots. I have loved all my instructors, been impressed with the level of instruction, and feel prepared.
I have never seen an ad for a job that said "ADN need not apply"- all they ask for is the RN current license- yes, I understand that the BSN may be needed to go into higher mangement etc.
NOW, why I'm not doing the BSN. Here in OKC we have a few BSN programs at state & private universities, and even a few BS to BSN accelerated. The tuition ranges from $20,000 to over $50,000. Having loans from a previous degree & a husband that makes a good salary- I don't qualify for financial aid. SO....if anyone expects me to get that degree- hand over the $$$$$$, please. Also, the BSN programs don't accept many students- the smaller universities have only 20-50/ year and the larger major university accepts around 120/year. &That particular program had over 700 applicants last year!!!! YA I can just walk in and "get" my BSN- hahahahah
BTW- compare NCLEX pass rates
major university- 83% my CC - 87%
university#2 - 57% cc#2 - 87%
university #3 - 50% cc#3 - 82%
now, tell me- would I really want to go to a program that only 50% passed?? what good is a BSN if I can't pass boards? I realize there are many factors to it, but come on....50%!
Let me give you an eye opening fact---if OKC (local metro areas) went to "all BSN" this year and did away with ADN--they would lose 248 new nurses! (that's how many passed boards from 3 major ccs last year) WOW- you think we're short on nurses now- try cutting out all those new grads.
I'm just frustrated with the whole discussion. Like I've said, people act like all of us have EVERY option available, or that we can afford it, or that these programs are just waiting for me to come and "get" my degree.
At least around here- all the ADN/ASD are very professional, highly technical, and very competitive. There are no "waiting lists". You have to apply every semester, meet basic requirements, then compete with GPA, preference points, etc. NONE of them simply put you on a list for meeting the requirements.
It may be different in your neck of the woods, but that how it sits here.
Everyone has to make their own choice, evaluate their own needs and the programs available. I'm done- I feel better - thanks for listening:rolleyes:
I personally think it has nothing to do with what degree you have but the ability to be empathetic and meet your patients needs. All that glitters is not always gold.
I am a prenursing school student. I think this broad should have not be used as a debate. The person that started this thread because he or she was sick of hearing this debate ASN v.s BSN. I have decide to go for ASN first for many personal reason. I just want to be a RN just to help people I am in a non rewarding field right now and I will be happy just to be able to call myself a nurse and if later I decide to get my BSN then that will be my choice.
To me it's always the ones with the ADN who need to vent..why is that? If you value your ADN so much and dont want a BSN that's fine. It doesn't make you less of nurse. I for one already have a BS degree in an entirely other field. I will be applying to ADN and BSN programs. The BSN programs cost way more than the ADN--but I'll prob take out loans to pay for it and be up to my ears in debt. I don't wnat to be in debt and it is scary. But I really want to be a nurse and will go by any route.. Bottom line if I can buy a car for thousands of dollars I can also put it towards my education. If I get accepted to an ADN pprogram of course I'll take that too but I';m just tired of reading post about ADN nurses who vent about not going further with their BSN. If you don't want to do it then don't but enough already!
To me it's always the ones with the ADN who need to vent..why is that? If you value your ADN so much and dont want a BSN that's fine. It doesn't make you less of nurse. I for one already have a BS degree in an entirely other field. I will be applying to ADN and BSN programs. The BSN programs cost way more than the ADN--but I'll prob take out loans to pay for it and be up to my ears in debt. I don't wnat to be in debt and it is scary. But I really want to be a nurse and will go by any route.. Bottom line if I can buy a car for thousands of dollars I can also put it towards my education. If I get accepted to an ADN pprogram of course I'll take that too but I';m just tired of reading post about ADN nurses who vent about not going further with their BSN. If you don't want to do it then don't but enough already!
Ditto
I need 31 prerequisite hours to get into the ADN program
I need 62 credit hours to get into the BSN program. That's twice as much academic work!!!!!!..working for the Bachelors is harder (additional science and College algebra) it takes longer and costs more.
Whoever wants to stop at whatever level stop already and be happy with your choice, and stay in your lane..... LVN, ADN and Bacherlors are 3 different things, each has it's limitations in what jobs you will do once you are working as a nurse. The areas that I am interested in require a Bachelors Degree. The beauty of it is that you have upward mobility in all... Why beat people up who work hard and invest lots of money to persue a Bachelors in the first place....it's ridiculous! Some people are just jealous.
I am a prenursing school student. I think this broad should have not be used as a debate. The person that started this thread because he or she was sick of hearing this debate ASN v.s BSN. I have decide to go for ASN first for many personal reason. I just want to be a RN just to help people I am in a non rewarding field right now and I will be happy just to be able to call myself a nurse and if later I decide to get my BSN then that will be my choice.
Well, you can't tell people what and what not to discuss....you are not in a Communist country and the Taliban is not ruling here yet, either. Hello, this is the United States of America
I personally think it has nothing to do with what degree you have but the ability to be empathetic and meet your patients needs. All that glitters is not always gold.
Your degree does matter because it will determine which jobs you will be able to do.
Specializes in Critical Care, Pediatrics, Geriatrics.
Well, you can't tell people what and what not to discuss....you are not in a Communist country and the Taliban is not ruling here yet, either. Hello, this is the United States of America
It would be nice though if posters could stick to the topic at hand which is what the Moderators have requested several times. If you want to debate the ADN vs. BSN issue there are plenty of other threads to do so. No one is infringing upon your right to freedom of expression. It is simply proper etiquette to remain on-topic and aswer accordingly.
SORRY - i have to rant about this. I don't want to start a fight- and I'm not going to generalize about all BSN or ADN programs. They have to be evaluated individually on their own merits but....... The constant arguement over ADN vs BSN is driving me crazy!!!! People act like I've really got a choice- like I can just walk out and "get" either one. ya right.
I am a 36yo pre-nursing student at a CC (in greater OKC metro). I have a previous BS in a science. I still have pre-reqs to do and support course to finish just to be competitive. & believe me- competition is HIGH- even for the lowly ADN Last semester there were 300 applicants for 50 spots. I have loved all my instructors, been impressed with the level of instruction, and feel prepared.
I have never seen an ad for a job that said "ADN need not apply"- all they ask for is the RN current license- yes, I understand that the BSN may be needed to go into higher mangement etc.
NOW, why I'm not doing the BSN. Here in OKC we have a few BSN programs at state & private universities, and even a few BS to BSN accelerated. The tuition ranges from $20,000 to over $50,000. Having loans from a previous degree & a husband that makes a good salary- I don't qualify for financial aid. SO....if anyone expects me to get that degree- hand over the $$$$$$, please. Also, the BSN programs don't accept many students- the smaller universities have only 20-50/ year and the larger major university accepts around 120/year. &That particular program had over 700 applicants last year!!!! YA I can just walk in and "get" my BSN- hahahahah
BTW- compare NCLEX pass rates
major university- 83% my CC - 87%
university#2 - 57% cc#2 - 87%
university #3 - 50% cc#3 - 82%
now, tell me- would I really want to go to a program that only 50% passed?? what good is a BSN if I can't pass boards? I realize there are many factors to it, but come on....50%!
Let me give you an eye opening fact---if OKC (local metro areas) went to "all BSN" this year and did away with ADN--they would lose 248 new nurses! (that's how many passed boards from 3 major ccs last year) WOW- you think we're short on nurses now- try cutting out all those new grads.
I'm just frustrated with the whole discussion. Like I've said, people act like all of us have EVERY option available, or that we can afford it, or that these programs are just waiting for me to come and "get" my degree.
At least around here- all the ADN/ASD are very professional, highly technical, and very competitive. There are no "waiting lists". You have to apply every semester, meet basic requirements, then compete with GPA, preference points, etc. NONE of them simply put you on a list for meeting the requirements.
It may be different in your neck of the woods, but that how it sits here.
Everyone has to make their own choice, evaluate their own needs and the programs available. I'm done- I feel better - thanks for listening:rolleyes:
You are right, that must be in your neck of the woods, most people around here in KY think ADN is high level on its own, and it is also very competetive, around 300-500 apply depending, and usually only 80 are accepted. As far as I know that has never been a debate around here, and the student that graduates with a BSN only gets $1.00 more on the hour??? The main reason anyone around here does go into BSN is management or the highest reason is to go into MSN for Nurse Practitioner.
So, don't get too hung up on it, also, I am just finishing my 3rd semester of RN ADN school and I will be 35 tomorrow:balloons: , we only have about 5 Nursing students that are in their 20's, none younger than that, the rest are 30's some 40's.
Specializes in Critical Care, Pediatrics, Geriatrics.
SORRY - i have to rant about this. I don't want to start a fight- and I'm not going to generalize about all BSN or ADN programs. They have to be evaluated individually on their own merits but....... The constant arguement over ADN vs BSN is driving me crazy!!!! People act like I've really got a choice- like I can just walk out and "get" either one. ya right.
I am a 36yo pre-nursing student at a CC (in greater OKC metro). I have a previous BS in a science. I still have pre-reqs to do and support course to finish just to be competitive. & believe me- competition is HIGH- even for the lowly ADN Last semester there were 300 applicants for 50 spots. I have loved all my instructors, been impressed with the level of instruction, and feel prepared.
I have never seen an ad for a job that said "ADN need not apply"- all they ask for is the RN current license- yes, I understand that the BSN may be needed to go into higher mangement etc.
NOW, why I'm not doing the BSN. Here in OKC we have a few BSN programs at state & private universities, and even a few BS to BSN accelerated. The tuition ranges from $20,000 to over $50,000. Having loans from a previous degree & a husband that makes a good salary- I don't qualify for financial aid. SO....if anyone expects me to get that degree- hand over the $$$$$$, please. Also, the BSN programs don't accept many students- the smaller universities have only 20-50/ year and the larger major university accepts around 120/year. &That particular program had over 700 applicants last year!!!! YA I can just walk in and "get" my BSN- hahahahah
BTW- compare NCLEX pass rates
major university- 83% my CC - 87%
university#2 - 57% cc#2 - 87%
university #3 - 50% cc#3 - 82%
now, tell me- would I really want to go to a program that only 50% passed?? what good is a BSN if I can't pass boards? I realize there are many factors to it, but come on....50%!
Let me give you an eye opening fact---if OKC (local metro areas) went to "all BSN" this year and did away with ADN--they would lose 248 new nurses! (that's how many passed boards from 3 major ccs last year) WOW- you think we're short on nurses now- try cutting out all those new grads.
I'm just frustrated with the whole discussion. Like I've said, people act like all of us have EVERY option available, or that we can afford it, or that these programs are just waiting for me to come and "get" my degree.
At least around here- all the ADN/ASD are very professional, highly technical, and very competitive. There are no "waiting lists". You have to apply every semester, meet basic requirements, then compete with GPA, preference points, etc. NONE of them simply put you on a list for meeting the requirements.
It may be different in your neck of the woods, but that how it sits here.
Everyone has to make their own choice, evaluate their own needs and the programs available. I'm done- I feel better - thanks for listening:rolleyes:
Here is a reminder of what the original topic was! A frustrated poster who looked into many avenues of entering nursing school and found and how difficult the application process and getting accepted out of a large pool of applicants can become...only to have someone who took another avenue, either by choice or default, make generalized comments that imply one is inferior/superior. It IS frustrating.
If you visit the pre-nursing forum, you get a really good idea of how complicated and frustrating just the application process can be. Over and over you see, "I didn't get in this semester...maybe next semester." Several students apply to more than one program, both CC and UNIV, and go with whichever accepts them first.
An assumption is then made that because the BSN provides more academic and professional work that it somehow enables said nurse to perform more efficiently at an entry level in the workforce. Or on the other hand, an assumption is made that more clinical experience allows the ADN to have the upper hand upon entering into practice. Do I dare remind you that each and every program, its requirements, and its teaching practices are different? Visit the nursing student forums and take a gander at the differences between various CC programs! Various UNIV programs! Accelerated programs! What each individual takes from his/her education varies greatly as well. And after you enter into the workforce, your personal experiences will greatly separate you in terms of performance from even those who hold the same degree. The debate needs to be put to an end. I agree with the OP.
Wherever your CC is I am shocked they charge so little for each credit! Paying $75 for a 3 credit course is unheard of! Where are you from? Here in Connecticut all of the CC & public universities have increased fees for the fall. If you want to obtain a BSN say from Southern CT State Univ. you will pay $6000 per yr. not including fees & books. What you are paying online is probably very similiar to what SCSU charges to attend regular classes which is really a fair amt. considering what the private Univ. charge. But I know going back to college in today's world has gotten to be a burden financially for many and there is so much debt from borrowing it is amazing. I know that when I start the actual Nursing courses at St. Vincent's I'll be paying upwards of $430 or so per credit But what can you do? I look so forward to helping people attain a healthier lifestyle that the $$$ I'll be paying for my education will be well worth it in the end :)
I wish everyone the best in their futures!
Susan
I lived in Hickory North carolina for 13 years, took all of my basics for $30.00 a credit hour at Catawba Valley Community College in Hickory NC, moved to Kentucky near Hazard, Hazard community collge&TI is $109.00 a credit hour, I about crapped, I could not believe how much I was getting ripped off. The difference is the comm. college in NC gets tons of state funding (without lottery funds), Kentucky comm. college hardly gets crap (and they have had a lottery fund for years, supposedly to help schools).
North Carolina finally got their lottery last year or year before. Now hows them apples???:monkeydance:
I'm not a nurse or even a nursing student so I'm probably not at all qualified here, but in my opinion there's very little difference between an ADN and a BSN. Having checked out every nursing program in north Texas, I could not see much difference in the academic requirements for either degree except that the four-year BSN includes more non-nursing instruction and may focus a little more on leadership/administration than an ADN. That's about it.
Since I already have a bachelor's degree in a liberal arts subject, speak four languages, and have earned nearly 150 hours in my lifetime I feel that I don't really have to get another bachelor's degree; I would hope that employers would be just as interested in someone with a BA and an ADN as someone with a BSN...I would even go out on a limb and say someone with a BA/ADN is probably more well-rounded than someone with only a BSN anyway...academically speaking, of course.
I haven't actually made a decision about which program(s) to apply to in Texas; I may end up in an ADN program, I may end up in a BSN program...but since I already have a bachelor's degree I feel sort of freed up from the academic snobbery.
I'm not a nurse or even a nursing student so I'm probably not at all qualified here, but in my opinion there's very little difference between an ADN and a BSN. Having checked out every nursing program in north Texas, I could not see much difference in the academic requirements for either degree except that the four-year BSN includes more non-nursing instruction and may focus a little more on leadership/administration than an ADN. That's about it.
Since I already have a bachelor's degree in a liberal arts subject, speak four languages, and have earned nearly 150 hours in my lifetime I feel that I don't really have to get another bachelor's degree; I would hope that employers would be just as interested in someone with a BA and an ADN as someone with a BSN...I would even go out on a limb and say someone with a BA/ADN is probably more well-rounded than someone with only a BSN anyway...academically speaking, of course.
I haven't actually made a decision about which program(s) to apply to in Texas; I may end up in an ADN program, I may end up in a BSN program...but since I already have a bachelor's degree I feel sort of freed up from the academic snobbery.
If you already have a bach degree, check out the accelerated program at tamu-cc. You don't have to be in Corpus to do the program and they have clinical locations throughout the state. I don't know how a BA instead of a BS affects your quals: but I know that if you can get in, it's a faster degree then either ADN or standard BSN program: it leads to a BSN in 14 months plus whatever pre-reqs you'd need.
Last semester there were 300 applicants for 50 spots. I have loved all my instructors, been impressed with the level of instruction, and feel prepared.
But what can you do? I look so forward to helping people attain a healthier lifestyle that the $$$ I'll be paying for my education will be well worth it in the end :) 
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I personally think it has nothing to do with what degree you have but the ability to be empathetic and meet your patients needs. All that glitters is not always gold.