RN tried to talk me out of Nursing school...

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So I went to my GP's private clinic today to get blood work, a PPD round, and antibody titers done for nursing school which I'll be starting this coming Fall. Upon meeting with his nurse, I told her I needed all of this done for nursing school. She blankly stared at me for a good three seconds and then asked: "Why in the world are you going to nursing school?". I wasn't sure what she meant by that, so I asked her to clarify. She said "Well, you're a young guy with flawless English skills. What the heck are you getting yourself in to?" (This Nurse is a Russian immigrant, whose English skills are not perfect. I'm Russian too, but came here at a very young age unlike her. I guess a lot of Nurses in New York City are immigrants that lack great language skills so they choose nursing as a "last resort" profession apparently?). She went on to explain to me how nobody is hiring right now, and that hospitals are closing. She assumed I was going for an Associates degree, but the program I'm entering is for the BSN. I told her this, and then she questioned why I didn't go for PA or PT instead. I told her Nursing is what I truly wanted to do, and she smirked and said "Okay, you don't understand the situation yet. You'll see."

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Not that I was discouraged by this, but I found it interesting how bitter some people can be against their own profession. Especially a nurse, who knows that there is a dire need for people to enter the profession, especially as many baby-boomer nurses are going to retire in the coming years.

Have you ever had people try to discourage you when you told them you were going into nursing? And do you regret not taking their advice?

I think I know what I'm getting myself into (hopefully), and I'm mentally prepared. I just hope that at some point in the future I won't end up hating my job like she does...

Specializes in Peds Medical Floor.
She's right that NYC is a tough job market for nurses and a few hospitals there have closed in the past decade. You may have to look into working/moving to the surrounding areas after graduation. Long Island (given that it's isolated and the housing is expensive) is an easier job market. Upstate NY is also an easier job market.

Uh not really. I'm from Buffalo.

I don't want to be one of those discouraging about nursing, but again, I don't think you understand the whole picture. There are many new grads in your city who would be thrilled to find jobs in physician's offices and nursing homes because they can't find anything at all.

They've been saying the thing about how nurses are going to start retiring again for the last five years. I was one of the first around allnurses who struggled to find a job after graduation (and quite a lot of people didn't believe it). The situation has gotten minimally better, if that. The older nurses may have started retiring, but there are plenty of younger and/or newer nurses to take their places--and the hospitals are making do with fewer nurses even when they're still open.

It's great to work hard to get good grades; it's great to get an internship in school; that's almost all you can do. But sometimes it still doesn't work out.

You aren't graduating yet, but if I could give advice to anyone graduating into a tight local market, it would be--seriously--to take any hospital job that's offered. Don't lull yourself into thinking that because you were offered one job, the market isn't as tight as was rumored. I'd say it's okay to hold out for a hospital job for a little while (depending on your living situation), but not too long--then it's time for the alternatives.

Best of luck in nursing school. I don't regret it for a moment.

YES! I was an LPN for over 7 years, and an aide before that. My former place of employment loved me so much they sent me to school FOR FREE.

By the time I graduated from RN, the entire situation had changed. The market was so tight that my place of employment offered me an RN position (all their RN positions are supervision) PRN (that's the best they could do - they didn't even have a position for me at their 13 LTC facilities or corporate!!!! I was willing to do any facility or shift. So they also tried to take advantage of my situation telling me they wanted me to keep my LPN position (the only nurse on a floor of 43 residents with 2 CNAs AND take the supervision position for the whole building...basically so they could save $ by having me do 2 nurses' positions. They wanted to pay me an extra $1.50 an hour for all that work and responsibility. I really shouldn't have been offered the supervision job in the first place on nights seeing as how I would be the ONLY RN in the building and since I was working the LPN job that would leave me and another LPN as the ONLY nurses in the entire building. Yeah, that's safe.

So I applied for anything and everything outside of the corporation I worked for because I was too afraid to take all that on. There are 2 major corporations that run the majority of the hospitals in Buffalo. There are 3 other hospitals not affiliated with them. 2 of those wouldn't even return my calls. The 1 offered me an LPN position (basically the same thing I was doing before) for an over $5 an hour pay cut. 1 of the major corporations (out of 4 hospitals and various nursing homes and clinics, only had 1 job open to new grads. I had 76 new grads in my class alone. There are 5 other nursing schools in the area that I can think of. The University of Buffalo is the biggest school in NY state and is close by. They would have hundreds of new grads at their school alone. So 1 job that hundreds of new grads were fighting for. The other major corporation was closing a major hospital and nursing home so they really weren't hiring. I got lucky that the recruiter had interviewed me years earlier and recognized my name. She hired me into a LTC/rehab position. So it took me another 9 months after graduation to get.....another LTC job. I was desperate so I took it. The union had just voted a pay decrease for new hire nurses in LTC so that was great.

Then I got to be worried because they were laying people off and buying people out and cutting full time jobs to part time because of the merges and closing. The company is union and with no seniority I was worried. I was right to be. I got bumped from my job before orientation was over. This also happened to some nurses hired for ICU I met. So you could get hired and think you have a job, only to get it snatched away.

So then I was bumped to a floor were as a new grad RN I was on a vent unit. I had never touched a vent or trach. I had no idea what I was doing. Thank god for the RT's!!!!! I learned so much from them as I was basically not trained and then I was left ALONE and was frequently the only nurse. I had no one to ask questions nearby. I'd have to call other floors for help. It was AWESOME. :eek: So I just learned to wing it and figure that if no one was yelling at me I must be doing ok.

I just got transferred to a med surg floor and I'm finally happy. I've had to unlearn and relearn things that I did by winging it on the vent floor.

Only took a year and a half for me to make it into a hospital. And it was mostly luck. I had references for most of the area hospitals and they didn't help. I applied out of state and across the state when I started getting desperate. I had 10 years of healthcare experience and I wasn't picky about what shift I worked or what floor. I called, tried to meet recruiters in person. Didn't work.

I actually love nursing, in and of itself. I hate what the economy and big business have done to it. So for me, it's a love/hate thing. I'm just glad that I haven't gone home crying from the hospital. I used to cry most nights leaving the vent unit and get nauseous on my days off when I'd think about having to go back to work. The union had so many complaints about the new facilities and mergers they didn't do much for vent unit (had the least amount of employees).

I like to tell the good and the bad. People have a very idealized idea of what nursing and health care are like. I love working 3 days a week, the pay is better in the hospital, I like the patients (usually haha), like learning new things, and I like my coworkers. Just know what you are getting yourself into.

Sorry this is so long, but it irks me when people think nursing is recession proof. People wouldn't believe me when I said it was tough. My dad thought I *must* be doing something wrong when I couldn't get a job.

[quote=>JustBreathe

Long story short, only you can decide if nursing is for you.

Love this! Thank you. I am going into nursing school in the fall after years of working hard to get here. I am very excited about nursing and the healthcare field. I have worked as a cna as well, I'm not going in blindly.

Please research.. and compare .. How difficult it is to obtain a BSN.. and how very difficult it may be to apply that hard earned degree in a hospital setting ..towards your goal.

You sound very bright and motivated.

I am also very bright and motivated. A BSN means very little in today's job market.

Please consider a different major. Have you thoroughly researched the "responsibilities of a nurse"?

I wish I had.

I have several patients that tell me they are going to nursing school (and they always say it with some expectation that I'll be impressed by that, lol). I don't ever discourage them, I just say "good luck." AFAIK, none of my kids is interested in a medical career. If they or anyone I cared about were, I'd use my dying breath to discourage it. I suspect the OPs friend feels a kinship to him due to their shared backgrounds and it trying to help him avoid a mistake. It's not as though those of us that try to warn people about nursing are selfishly trying to keep all the great perks and pay to ourselves! :rotfl:

I'd rather hear a simple "good luck" and it being said genuinely. Than, someone smirking in my face and then laughing, yeah it has happened. Also, it depends on who I am talking to and what kind of a day I am having at that moment, when I tell someone about school. Intuition is a great thing when you're trying to decide if you want to disclose that type of information or not. I like to rely on my gut feeling. I do know, whatever they might say won't change my decision is the slightest. :)

Specializes in FNP, ONP.

I liked the suggestion to "follow your bliss," and I think that's a great philosophy. I already discussed my view of the OPs situation; as far as the threads on this board regarding the same topic, if someone asks they need to be prepared to hear a response other than the one for which they may have hoped.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

Hiker1 I vehemently disagree with your post! Nursing is probably the one field where top-notch English proficiency is essential! You could kill somebody if you mess that up! (I'm being semi-facetious there). It isn't the last refuge of the people who refuse to become English-proficient, hopefully.

I can be as cynical as the next person, but the way she said that was rude. The way I see it is -- we will always need nurses, all of us will die off at some point, and who's to say you can't be part of the positive change? I don't think we should tell people not to become nurses. I think we have an obligation to shoot down pie-in-the-sky notions and the ever-present bucketloads of propaganda we get from self-interested parties, but once that's done I say go for it if you want to.

My daughter just got her bachelors - she's a certified athletic trainer (not a personal trainer) and now has informed me she wants to go to med school and specialize in Sports Medicine. I'm happy for her. If she wanted to be a nurse I'd be happy for her, too -- as long as she didn't have blinders on.

It is clear now, ("At this point it does NOT matter to me") that you only wanted positive reinforcement. Not sure why any of us should waste additional time sharing our thoughts.

I think he meant that the discouraging words didn't matter, and asked if anyone had tried to discourage us from going into nursing.

Specializes in Med Surg, Specialty.

[quote=>JustBreathe

Long story short, only you can decide if nursing is for you.

a 2 hour movie is very different than devoting years and possibly tens of thousands of dollars of debt to something. While one person's love or hatred of a job they do should not be a sole factor in dissuading or choosing something, to completely ignore the thoughts of someone experienced in the field you want to do is pure folly. I think this thread shows pretty well that, for example, her caution about a tight job market in NY is on point and the OP/others need to consider that they may have to move in order to get a job.

Listen, gather information from many sources, and consider all sides, is my 'unwanted' advice to you.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Ortho, ASC.

Strauss Group is a head-hunter organization, not an employer. I truly doubt that with the current surplus of nursing applicants, many employers will be paying recruiters' fees for new grads.

I certainly would have made a different career choice, and if asked, I will explain why to anyone who wants to know. You opened the door for her to voice her opinion based on her experience, and that is what she did.

I want to know why. Is it really that bad? What are the positives about the job? If you really don't like nursing then why have you not found another career? People will think that you are trying to be hurtful because you are saying don't be a nurse, yet you are still nursing. If it was that bad then you would find something else to do. Right?

I once told an RN i wanted to go into Nursing and she gave me a crazy look as well she tried to convince me to go into pharmacy I have no idea why:/

When I went to get my required physical after getting accepted into an LPN program, my own doctor asked me, "why the heck do you want to be a nurse? Why not just go to medical school?"

Ummm.....

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
As for the "dire need" comment, I do realize that Nursing field was not immune to the tanked economy. But I still believe, and I think many can attest, that in relation to many other fields Nursing is still an easier field to find employment in. There is still a national shortage,

from: Douglas O. Staiger, Ph.D., David I. Auerbach, Ph.D., and Peter I. Buerhaus, Ph.D., R.N.N Engl J Med April 19, 2012

Because of this increase at the beginning of the recession, the decade-long national shortage of RNs appears to have ended.

also an FYI:

The growth in the RN workforce that occurred between 2005 and 2010 was the largest expansion over any 5-year period observed in our data extending back four decades.
They've been saying the thing about how nurses are going to start retiring again for the last five years. I was one of the first around allnurses who struggled to find a job after graduation (and quite a lot of people didn't believe it).

That's because, basically, they made it up. It sounds plausible so everybody repeats and repeats It's actually stated on several talking point lists generated by the nurse lobby so their troops will know what to say. The same world-renowned scholars who wrote the NEJM article said as much here:

Yet because there is no empirically based understanding of how recessions affect transitions into and out of the RN workforce, employers and workforce planners are unable to anticipate how many nurses might choose to leave the workforce once a robust jobs recovery begins.

Don't want to seem too negative so I'm sharing this link I found about a nurse apprentice program in the aforementioned state of New York.

http://www.westchester.com/news/westchesternews/health/17012-22-nursing-students-graduate-from-white-plains-hospital.html

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